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This item was proven by @ellie on 2023-05-13T17:39:03+00:00.

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(A thing that I see anglophone people being very blind to is that a lot of people have to import English and international terms to refer to themselves because that's the language of empire, and the one language where Western-resonant queer culture has been able to define itself in the last twenty years. The entire right seizes on this and marries it with protectionist isolationism in decrying queerness as a 'foreign' phenomenon.✶)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Please be careful with European politics. Especially Italy; there are actual avowed fascists in power there right now."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"\u003Cp style='font-size:80%'\u003E\n(✶ When I speak of myself in Italian I purposefully use non-wide-use, grammatically correct calques \u003Cem\u003Einstead\u003C\u002Fem\u003E of English import terms because of this. 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bought to do videos on, because like, i have a patreon, so I feel like if I'm gonna do Early Access Content I should be doing it on there. But also, absolutely nobody has ever cared whether i do or don't deliver any kind of bonus content, and also this isn't a video, and also that kind of behavior is crazymaking. So anyway, I got something \"weird\" from ebay yesterday that has made a fool of me by _not_ being weird."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"---"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"My last YT video was about a circa-Y2K MP3 player that's meant to go in a stereo system. While researching that, I came across some magazine reviews* of other \"MP3 jukeboxes\" which figured in to the narrative, but next to those were reviews of network audio streaming boxes."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"\u003Csmall\u003E* I'm not an expert on how magazines operate, but it seems like the pages in question are not actually reviews, but are more like just ads. Whenever I see the one-paragraph description (which I've just been calling a blurb) it feels strongly as if the magazine has never seen the product in question, and is just paraphrasing some ad copy.\u003C\u002Fsmall\u003E"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"It feels surprising that anyone was making these in 2000-2001. The first time I ever heard about in-house streaming audio was in the last couple years of the decade, so I never really thought about it before then, and it feels implausible since very few people had home LANs at the time (this will come up again.) There's also this part of me that just can't accept that a Pentium 2 or 3 could reliably stream audio at all."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Of course that's completely silly. We're talking about a 320kbps-max file, three or four megs total in size. Ethernet wasn't universal, but it was readily _available_, for cheap, and the slowest version ever available to consumers pushed 10 megabits. Even taking heavy packet loss over inappropriate CAT3, it should be nearly impossible to get less than a megabit."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Since a couple cheap RAM chips can buffer an entire song in the receiving device, there's really nothing surprising about this at all. The price wasn't even that bad, around $300, since such a device wouldn't require much complexity, nor a hard drive."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I went looking for one after I finished that video, and I found the _Dell Digital Audio Receiver_ - pictured above - on eBay for about $25. It's actually a rebadged (literally identical) _Rio Receiver,_ which I think was sold a bit earlier."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![The back panel of the Dell Digital Audio Receiver, a small box with a power inlet, an Ethernet jack, two phone plugs labeled \"Phone\" and \"Wall\", terminals for attaching speakers, network activity lights, a 3.5mm headphone jack, and a pair of RCA outputs](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F4cb3d985-9f07-4c48-92fc-eed77778e5b8\u002Fphoto_2022-12-15_15-11-40.jpg)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The premise is very simple: You plug it into your LAN, run a server app on your PC, and it will play MP3s over the network from whichever folder you choose. You can put it in your living room and plug it into your stereo receiver via RCA or 3.5mm, you can connect a pair of unpowered speakers to its built-in amplifier, or you can connect headphones to the front. "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The screen on the front grants access to your library via a menu browser interface, where you can select artists, albums, etc. The speaker and headphone outputs have adjustable volume, and the device has an IR remote for playback and volume control. All in all, quite a nice design for the era, especially since \"just plug an old laptop into your stereo\" was even less valid an idea than it is now."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"(It sucks now and it sucked 10 years ago, you always owed yourself something more dignified than that - but 20 years ago, very few people had a \"spare\" laptop that could handle MP3 decoding at all, even nerds.)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I thought it would be fun to do a quick demo of this gadget, so I ordered it. While waiting, I did a little research and found references to the client software _hosting it's own DHCP server._ This makes a lot of sense."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"As noted, very few people had home LANs in 1999-2000. Yes, I know you did. I did too. We are not \"most people.\" The overwhelming majority of people had never heard of ethernet, and many motherboards were still being sold without built-in networking. New computers probably mostly had it, but lots of people didn't have new computers."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Even if you had the capability, you'd probably never used it, because you didn't have broadband."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![Pew Research graph showing broadband proliferation in the US over the 2000-2006 period](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F5c622ba9-42b3-4a7e-95c3-82180f232e72\u002Fbroadband%20penetration.jpg)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"According to Pew Research, broadband proliferation hadn't reached 50% even by early 2006. It hadn't even reached 10% by the end of 2001. And _nobody_ was using Ethernet for anything other than broadband, except for the highest power nerds (my family.)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"No broadband meant no router, and that meant no DHCP server. One of the saddest oversights in Ethernet is that they never came up with a _good_ method for two devices, plugged directly together, to _recognize_ that fact and work out an addressing scheme. Link-local doesn't work, I don't even know why. So for this device to talk to your PC, you needed to run a DHCP server _on your PC_. It makes perfect sense, and this isn't even the first time I've seen it from a Y2K era device."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Obviously, this is a problem for a modern network. We all have our own DHCP servers, and can't have some 22 year old piece of shitware polluting our LAN with 192.168.0.x IPs. I also got the impression from what little info I could find that it was using DHCP Options to tell the device where the media server (your PC) was; this is even worse."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"So, my battle plan was as follows:"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* Device arrives"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* Turn up a Virtualbox VM with Windows 98 and connect it to my LAN"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* Install the software"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* Turn off my household DHCP server and start up the Dell device"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* Use Wireshark to capture a DHCP exchange, figure out what it's doing, and duplicate any options onto a specialized reserved lease"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* Figure out how to block the DHCP traffic from the VM"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I budgeted two hours for this if it went well, ∞ hours if not."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"\u003Chr\u003E"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"So the device arrives."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"It's in great condition. It doesn't come with the software (although the seller threw in a serial port GPS for some reason...?) so I have to go looking for that. To my chagrin (damn that's a word I haven't used in years,) there's nothing on Internet Archive."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"After digging and despairing for 15 minutes, I suddenly find _the Rio Receiver forums._"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"https:\u002F\u002Fempegbbs.com\u002Fubbthreads.php\u002Fforums\u002F18\u002F1\u002FFAQ"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Okay, well, it's the Empeg forums. Empeg was a British company who made a product circa 1998 called the _Car_ - yes, just, _the Car_ - which was the earliest vehicular MP3 player. Rio bought it and relabeled it as the Rio Car, and apparently some of the development was parlayed into the Rio Receiver. There was, unsurprisingly, a significant usergroup built up around the Empeg Car (this was _incredibly_ common in the Y2K era) so their forum (sorry, _BBS_) also provided a home for the related Rio products."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The _FAQ_ forum includes _\"Where can I get the latest Rio Receiver software?\"_ It turns out that the Dell uses the exact same software with a different logo, so you can just install the Rio stuff, and they had it on their website. It's down now, of course, but fortunately, _Internet Archive got it._"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"https:\u002F\u002Fweb.archive.org\u002Fweb\u002F20050311120752\u002Fhttp:\u002F\u002Fwww.digitalnetworksna.com\u002Fsupport\u002Frio\u002Fproduct.asp?prodID=99"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Thank god for _Brewster's Public iDrive._"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I started up VirtualBox, but before I could look for my W98 VM, it occurred to me... why not just fucking, install it? On my PC? On Windows 10?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![A screenshot of the Rio audio receiver server app, asking where I want to search for MP3s](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F2566f09b-0424-4ee4-bdef-ca1bdfb0ac01\u002Fphoto_2022-12-15_15-37-19.jpg)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Turns out it works perfectly. And on startup, it asked me if I wanted to enable the DHCP server - and it was _off_, by default. That strongly suggests that, by the time Rio released this updated software, home LAN proliferation had become common enough that they wanted to avoid polluting people's networks. It _also_ suggests that a specialized DHCP server isn't needed at all."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"So I turned around, plugged an Ethernet cable into the Dell receiver, turned it on, and..."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![The Dell audio receiver, with a pair of Sennheiser HD660S headphones on top, and the song _Blue Dress_ by Depeche Mode playing, per the softly backlit blue screen](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F66465e80-09cc-4e43-abc5-59600c7ee02e\u002Fphoto_2022-12-14_18-22-06.jpg)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"...it just worked. Instantly. there were no further steps that had to be taken, it just plain worked, as if I'd gotten it out of the box in 2000 and plugged it in."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Well, fuck me."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"## _I Guess This Is How My Wife Feels!!!!!!!!_"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I budgeted two hours. This took 15 minutes. It was probably not much faster to have installed it with the original CD, given how slow drives of the time were."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"So now what? I mean, I can make a video out of this - I'd been planning on an aggressive strategy of shorter-form Content anyway - but, what am I supposed to do with the rest of my night? It Just Worked. Damnit!"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Well, there are still questions. For one, what are the format limitations? The manual just says MP3 and WMA, but makes no mention of bitrate. I'm going to assume it'll go up to 320kbps MP3, and who cares about WMA. I'll test this later (the MP3 part, fuck WMA.)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And: what's the deal with the phone jacks? It clearly has RJ11s labeled \"Phone\" and \"Wall\", so, was it meant to dial up to something...? That doesn't make sense, even ignoring the fact that dialup cannot stream MP3 in any reasonable quality."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I had to dig a little bit to figure this out, and then it hit me like the proverbial ton of freight trains: It's fucking phoneline networking."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Those jacks are for HPNA (HomePNA (more like Home T&A!!!!!)), which is sorta like powerline ethernet. You plug the device into a phone jack in your house, but instead of sending a signal down your phone line, it imposes a high band frequency division multiplexed data signal, which can be picked up by anything else connected to the same line. It's sorta like DSL technology - you can't hear it if you pick up the phone, and in fact, a DSL filter will break it."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Rio had sold a card called the Rio Connector, and I hadn't been able to figure out what it was for. I thought it might just be a rebadged ethernet card, but now I realize it was a rebadged HPNA card. In fact, the Rio Receiver FAQ says you can use third party HPNA, so now that's _gotta_ go in the video."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"This solves the problem I brought up earlier: People didn't have LANs, and even if you did have an ethernet port on your PC, who the hell wanted to run a cable through the attic or drag it across the living room? My family did exactly that (we had five cables running down the hallway floor for like two years) but it was an ugly tripping hazard and we lived in a psuedo-hoarder house, so we weren't exactly typical consumers."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Lots of houses had phone jacks all over the place, though. There was probably one in the living room, and phone cables are much smaller and easier to hide along the baseboard. As long as your PC was also near a jack, you were good to go - no extra infrastructure needed. Fucking brilliant, I love it."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"\nNow, as cool as that is, once you get the thing working, the functionality itself... leaves a little to be desired."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"As I addressed in my video on the MusicStore, nobody knew how to make a browsing interface before the iPod, it really invented the concept as we know it. When you're navigating through your library on the Receiver, you can choose these options:"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* **Artist** - You can pick an artist, then it shows you all tracks by that artist. Yes, all _tracks_, not albums. They're just all jumbled together."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* **Album** - You can pick an album. _Any_ album, across your entire library; it does not let you filter by artist. And once you select an album... the tracks are sorted alphabetically."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* **Track** - Every single track in your library is displayed. No sorting or filtering. If you have more than 3,000 tracks, it just fails."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* **Genre** - I mean, sure"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"* **Playlist** - Yes, it reads M3Us."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And it's good that it reads M3Us, because otherwise it would be unusable. The advice on the Empeg forums is \"make playlists, there is no other way to fix this.\" It's an intrinsic problem with either the server or the firmware."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Fortunately, both have been replaced. Unfortunately, it happened in 2002."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"There are at least a half dozen alternative media servers. It turns out the server is just an HTTP file server plus something called \"SSDP\" - presumably how the device found my PC so fast. But the ones I've looked at were last updated before 2005, and the open source situation in the early 2000s was pretty rough, lots of font-family:serif pages with very little real info other than a brief changelog, some tips, and a link to a tarball. I haven't tried these yet but my hopes aren't high."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The firmware has also been replaced by another project called Rioplay. It turns out (absolutely unsurprisingly) that the Receiver has no concept of firmware updates because it has no firmware onboard. It only has enough intelligence to bootstrap itself onto the network and then slurp the application over from the host machine. So to \"install\" Rioplay, you simply replace one file on your desktop, and when you reboot the Receiver, bam, there it is."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Sadly, this too is from 2004, and very unfinished. I got it running, but it's basically unusable. It has moderate improvements to library browsing but several things seem to be simply unimplemented. There might be other replacement firmware out there, I'll have to look."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Honestly though, the best solution is probably just playlists. This device was probably never really appealing to the rando non-nerd, but for the price, size and simplicity, it would have whipped ass in the early 2000s, even compared to \"just plug a laptop into your stereo,\" a practice I will continue to berate (it sucks so bad, why do people claim it doesn't.)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"If the only cost is that you need to make playlists of each album, that's not too bad if your library isn't gargantuan. You could even Write a Program for it, and it wouldn't be _too_ demeaning a waste of your One Life."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The other thing this firmware is supposed to do is make FLAC playback possible. I hadn't expected this, but apparently the SoC in the Receiver is fast enough that it's doing all audio decoding in software! Rioplay simply includes libflac (and libvorbis), but I think I need to replace the media server to get it to index those, so I haven't tried it yet."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Overall, I kinda love this thing. I was astonished that it Just Worked and I think it must have been mindblowing for anyone who recognized it for what it was in its day. Do I recommend you get one yourself?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"# _OH fuck no, haha_"}}],"plainTextBody":"Sometimes I feel weird posting about stuff I've bought to do videos on, because like, i have a patreon, so I feel like if I'm gonna do Early Access Content I should be doing it on there. But also, absolutely nobody has ever cared whether i do or don't deliver any kind of bonus content, and also this isn't a video, and also that kind of behavior is crazymaking. So anyway, I got something \"weird\" from ebay yesterday that has made a fool of me by _not_ being weird.\n\n---\n\nMy last YT video was about a circa-Y2K MP3 player that's meant to go in a stereo system. While researching that, I came across some magazine reviews* of other \"MP3 jukeboxes\" which figured in to the narrative, but next to those were reviews of network audio streaming boxes.\n\n\u003Csmall\u003E* I'm not an expert on how magazines operate, but it seems like the pages in question are not actually reviews, but are more like just ads. Whenever I see the one-paragraph description (which I've just been calling a blurb) it feels strongly as if the magazine has never seen the product in question, and is just paraphrasing some ad copy.\u003C\u002Fsmall\u003E\n\nIt feels surprising that anyone was making these in 2000-2001. The first time I ever heard about in-house streaming audio was in the last couple years of the decade, so I never really thought about it before then, and it feels implausible since very few people had home LANs at the time (this will come up again.) There's also this part of me that just can't accept that a Pentium 2 or 3 could reliably stream audio at all.\n\nOf course that's completely silly. We're talking about a 320kbps-max file, three or four megs total in size. Ethernet wasn't universal, but it was readily _available_, for cheap, and the slowest version ever available to consumers pushed 10 megabits. Even taking heavy packet loss over inappropriate CAT3, it should be nearly impossible to get less than a megabit.\n\nSince a couple cheap RAM chips can buffer an entire song in the receiving device, there's really nothing surprising about this at all. The price wasn't even that bad, around $300, since such a device wouldn't require much complexity, nor a hard drive.\n\nI went looking for one after I finished that video, and I found the _Dell Digital Audio Receiver_ - pictured above - on eBay for about $25. It's actually a rebadged (literally identical) _Rio Receiver,_ which I think was sold a bit earlier.\n\n![The back panel of the Dell Digital Audio Receiver, a small box with a power inlet, an Ethernet jack, two phone plugs labeled \"Phone\" and \"Wall\", terminals for attaching speakers, network activity lights, a 3.5mm headphone jack, and a pair of RCA outputs](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F4cb3d985-9f07-4c48-92fc-eed77778e5b8\u002Fphoto_2022-12-15_15-11-40.jpg)\n\nThe premise is very simple: You plug it into your LAN, run a server app on your PC, and it will play MP3s over the network from whichever folder you choose. You can put it in your living room and plug it into your stereo receiver via RCA or 3.5mm, you can connect a pair of unpowered speakers to its built-in amplifier, or you can connect headphones to the front. \n\nThe screen on the front grants access to your library via a menu browser interface, where you can select artists, albums, etc. The speaker and headphone outputs have adjustable volume, and the device has an IR remote for playback and volume control. All in all, quite a nice design for the era, especially since \"just plug an old laptop into your stereo\" was even less valid an idea than it is now.\n\n(It sucks now and it sucked 10 years ago, you always owed yourself something more dignified than that - but 20 years ago, very few people had a \"spare\" laptop that could handle MP3 decoding at all, even nerds.)\n\nI thought it would be fun to do a quick demo of this gadget, so I ordered it. While waiting, I did a little research and found references to the client software _hosting it's own DHCP server._ This makes a lot of sense.\n\nAs noted, very few people had home LANs in 1999-2000. Yes, I know you did. I did too. We are not \"most people.\" The overwhelming majority of people had never heard of ethernet, and many motherboards were still being sold without built-in networking. New computers probably mostly had it, but lots of people didn't have new computers.\n\nEven if you had the capability, you'd probably never used it, because you didn't have broadband.\n\n![Pew Research graph showing broadband proliferation in the US over the 2000-2006 period](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F5c622ba9-42b3-4a7e-95c3-82180f232e72\u002Fbroadband%20penetration.jpg)\n\nAccording to Pew Research, broadband proliferation hadn't reached 50% even by early 2006. It hadn't even reached 10% by the end of 2001. And _nobody_ was using Ethernet for anything other than broadband, except for the highest power nerds (my family.)\n\nNo broadband meant no router, and that meant no DHCP server. One of the saddest oversights in Ethernet is that they never came up with a _good_ method for two devices, plugged directly together, to _recognize_ that fact and work out an addressing scheme. Link-local doesn't work, I don't even know why. So for this device to talk to your PC, you needed to run a DHCP server _on your PC_. It makes perfect sense, and this isn't even the first time I've seen it from a Y2K era device.\n\nObviously, this is a problem for a modern network. We all have our own DHCP servers, and can't have some 22 year old piece of shitware polluting our LAN with 192.168.0.x IPs. I also got the impression from what little info I could find that it was using DHCP Options to tell the device where the media server (your PC) was; this is even worse.\n\nSo, my battle plan was as follows:\n\n* Device arrives\n\n* Turn up a Virtualbox VM with Windows 98 and connect it to my LAN\n\n* Install the software\n\n* Turn off my household DHCP server and start up the Dell device\n\n* Use Wireshark to capture a DHCP exchange, figure out what it's doing, and duplicate any options onto a specialized reserved lease\n\n* Figure out how to block the DHCP traffic from the VM\n\nI budgeted two hours for this if it went well, ∞ hours if not.\n\n\u003Chr\u003E\n\nSo the device arrives.\n\nIt's in great condition. It doesn't come with the software (although the seller threw in a serial port GPS for some reason...?) so I have to go looking for that. To my chagrin (damn that's a word I haven't used in years,) there's nothing on Internet Archive.\n\nAfter digging and despairing for 15 minutes, I suddenly find _the Rio Receiver forums._\n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Fempegbbs.com\u002Fubbthreads.php\u002Fforums\u002F18\u002F1\u002FFAQ\n\nOkay, well, it's the Empeg forums. Empeg was a British company who made a product circa 1998 called the _Car_ - yes, just, _the Car_ - which was the earliest vehicular MP3 player. Rio bought it and relabeled it as the Rio Car, and apparently some of the development was parlayed into the Rio Receiver. There was, unsurprisingly, a significant usergroup built up around the Empeg Car (this was _incredibly_ common in the Y2K era) so their forum (sorry, _BBS_) also provided a home for the related Rio products.\n\nThe _FAQ_ forum includes _\"Where can I get the latest Rio Receiver software?\"_ It turns out that the Dell uses the exact same software with a different logo, so you can just install the Rio stuff, and they had it on their website. It's down now, of course, but fortunately, _Internet Archive got it._\n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Fweb.archive.org\u002Fweb\u002F20050311120752\u002Fhttp:\u002F\u002Fwww.digitalnetworksna.com\u002Fsupport\u002Frio\u002Fproduct.asp?prodID=99\n\nThank god for _Brewster's Public iDrive._\n\nI started up VirtualBox, but before I could look for my W98 VM, it occurred to me... why not just fucking, install it? On my PC? On Windows 10?\n\n![A screenshot of the Rio audio receiver server app, asking where I want to search for MP3s](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F2566f09b-0424-4ee4-bdef-ca1bdfb0ac01\u002Fphoto_2022-12-15_15-37-19.jpg)\n\nTurns out it works perfectly. And on startup, it asked me if I wanted to enable the DHCP server - and it was _off_, by default. That strongly suggests that, by the time Rio released this updated software, home LAN proliferation had become common enough that they wanted to avoid polluting people's networks. It _also_ suggests that a specialized DHCP server isn't needed at all.\n\nSo I turned around, plugged an Ethernet cable into the Dell receiver, turned it on, and...\n\n![The Dell audio receiver, with a pair of Sennheiser HD660S headphones on top, and the song _Blue Dress_ by Depeche Mode playing, per the softly backlit blue screen](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F66465e80-09cc-4e43-abc5-59600c7ee02e\u002Fphoto_2022-12-14_18-22-06.jpg)\n\n...it just worked. Instantly. there were no further steps that had to be taken, it just plain worked, as if I'd gotten it out of the box in 2000 and plugged it in.\n\nWell, fuck me.\n\n## _I Guess This Is How My Wife Feels!!!!!!!!_\n\nI budgeted two hours. This took 15 minutes. It was probably not much faster to have installed it with the original CD, given how slow drives of the time were.\n\nSo now what? I mean, I can make a video out of this - I'd been planning on an aggressive strategy of shorter-form Content anyway - but, what am I supposed to do with the rest of my night? It Just Worked. Damnit!\n\nWell, there are still questions. For one, what are the format limitations? The manual just says MP3 and WMA, but makes no mention of bitrate. I'm going to assume it'll go up to 320kbps MP3, and who cares about WMA. I'll test this later (the MP3 part, fuck WMA.)\n\nAnd: what's the deal with the phone jacks? It clearly has RJ11s labeled \"Phone\" and \"Wall\", so, was it meant to dial up to something...? That doesn't make sense, even ignoring the fact that dialup cannot stream MP3 in any reasonable quality.\n\nI had to dig a little bit to figure this out, and then it hit me like the proverbial ton of freight trains: It's fucking phoneline networking.\n\nThose jacks are for HPNA (HomePNA (more like Home T&A!!!!!)), which is sorta like powerline ethernet. You plug the device into a phone jack in your house, but instead of sending a signal down your phone line, it imposes a high band frequency division multiplexed data signal, which can be picked up by anything else connected to the same line. It's sorta like DSL technology - you can't hear it if you pick up the phone, and in fact, a DSL filter will break it.\n\nRio had sold a card called the Rio Connector, and I hadn't been able to figure out what it was for. I thought it might just be a rebadged ethernet card, but now I realize it was a rebadged HPNA card. In fact, the Rio Receiver FAQ says you can use third party HPNA, so now that's _gotta_ go in the video.\n\nThis solves the problem I brought up earlier: People didn't have LANs, and even if you did have an ethernet port on your PC, who the hell wanted to run a cable through the attic or drag it across the living room? My family did exactly that (we had five cables running down the hallway floor for like two years) but it was an ugly tripping hazard and we lived in a psuedo-hoarder house, so we weren't exactly typical consumers.\n\nLots of houses had phone jacks all over the place, though. There was probably one in the living room, and phone cables are much smaller and easier to hide along the baseboard. As long as your PC was also near a jack, you were good to go - no extra infrastructure needed. Fucking brilliant, I love it.\n\n\nNow, as cool as that is, once you get the thing working, the functionality itself... leaves a little to be desired.\n\nAs I addressed in my video on the MusicStore, nobody knew how to make a browsing interface before the iPod, it really invented the concept as we know it. When you're navigating through your library on the Receiver, you can choose these options:\n\n* **Artist** - You can pick an artist, then it shows you all tracks by that artist. Yes, all _tracks_, not albums. They're just all jumbled together.\n\n* **Album** - You can pick an album. _Any_ album, across your entire library; it does not let you filter by artist. And once you select an album... the tracks are sorted alphabetically.\n\n* **Track** - Every single track in your library is displayed. No sorting or filtering. If you have more than 3,000 tracks, it just fails.\n\n* **Genre** - I mean, sure\n\n* **Playlist** - Yes, it reads M3Us.\n\nAnd it's good that it reads M3Us, because otherwise it would be unusable. The advice on the Empeg forums is \"make playlists, there is no other way to fix this.\" It's an intrinsic problem with either the server or the firmware.\n\nFortunately, both have been replaced. Unfortunately, it happened in 2002.\n\nThere are at least a half dozen alternative media servers. It turns out the server is just an HTTP file server plus something called \"SSDP\" - presumably how the device found my PC so fast. But the ones I've looked at were last updated before 2005, and the open source situation in the early 2000s was pretty rough, lots of font-family:serif pages with very little real info other than a brief changelog, some tips, and a link to a tarball. I haven't tried these yet but my hopes aren't high.\n\nThe firmware has also been replaced by another project called Rioplay. It turns out (absolutely unsurprisingly) that the Receiver has no concept of firmware updates because it has no firmware onboard. It only has enough intelligence to bootstrap itself onto the network and then slurp the application over from the host machine. So to \"install\" Rioplay, you simply replace one file on your desktop, and when you reboot the Receiver, bam, there it is.\n\nSadly, this too is from 2004, and very unfinished. I got it running, but it's basically unusable. It has moderate improvements to library browsing but several things seem to be simply unimplemented. There might be other replacement firmware out there, I'll have to look.\n\nHonestly though, the best solution is probably just playlists. This device was probably never really appealing to the rando non-nerd, but for the price, size and simplicity, it would have whipped ass in the early 2000s, even compared to \"just plug a laptop into your stereo,\" a practice I will continue to berate (it sucks so bad, why do people claim it doesn't.)\n\nIf the only cost is that you need to make playlists of each album, that's not too bad if your library isn't gargantuan. You could even Write a Program for it, and it wouldn't be _too_ demeaning a waste of your One Life.\n\nThe other thing this firmware is supposed to do is make FLAC playback possible. I hadn't expected this, but apparently the SoC in the Receiver is fast enough that it's doing all audio decoding in software! Rioplay simply includes libflac (and libvorbis), but I think I need to replace the media server to get it to index those, so I haven't tried it yet.\n\nOverall, I kinda love this thing. I was astonished that it Just Worked and I think it must have been mindblowing for anyone who recognized it for what it was in its day. 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DEC was acquired by Compaq, which was acquired by Hewlett-Packard, which split itself up into HP and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, and we're now at the point where anyone who cared about DEC's products has, with a high degree of probability, left the company. probably to retire so they don't have to think about computers in a professional capacity ever again. (fates bless them for achieving freedom.) since basically nobody's left who cares, there's no interest in trying to make software and patches and documentation findable. 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HPE shut their hobbyist program down when they transferred the rights to VMS, and the new company isn't offering them. it says it right there on the \",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":103,\"offset\":1324},\"end\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":981,\"offset\":2202}}},{\"type\":\"element\",\"tagName\":\"a\",\"properties\":{\"href\":\"https:\u002F\u002Fvmssoftware.com\u002Fcommunity\u002Fcommunity-license\u002F\"},\"children\":[{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"new sign-up page\",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":982,\"offset\":2203},\"end\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":998,\"offset\":2219}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":981,\"offset\":2202},\"end\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":1053,\"offset\":2274}}},{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\":\",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":1053,\"offset\":2274},\"end\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":1054,\"offset\":2275}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":1,\"offset\":1222},\"end\":{\"line\":5,\"column\":1054,\"offset\":2275}}},{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"\\n\"},{\"type\":\"element\",\"tagName\":\"p\",\"properties\":{},\"children\":[{\"type\":\"element\",\"tagName\":\"em\",\"properties\":{},\"children\":[{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"Please note that in accordance with the license agreement between VMS Software Inc. and HPE, VMS Software Inc. are not able to distribute VAX licenses.\",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":7,\"column\":2,\"offset\":2278},\"end\":{\"line\":7,\"column\":153,\"offset\":2429}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":7,\"column\":1,\"offset\":2277},\"end\":{\"line\":7,\"column\":154,\"offset\":2430}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":7,\"column\":1,\"offset\":2277},\"end\":{\"line\":7,\"column\":154,\"offset\":2430}}},{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"\\n\"},{\"type\":\"element\",\"tagName\":\"p\",\"properties\":{},\"children\":[{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"so go fuck yrself, i guess. it breaks my heart a little that these elements of computing history are so thoroughly abandoned and lost. partly out of nostalgia, to be sure, whomst among us doesn't yearn for when things... at least, we thought they sucked less. in some objective ways, they did. but goddamn, it sucks to see old ideas get implemented in worse ways--or, even more annoyingly, old ideas get completely ignored in favour of some shiny bullshit that isn't even half-baked.\",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":9,\"column\":1,\"offset\":2432},\"end\":{\"line\":9,\"column\":484,\"offset\":2915}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":9,\"column\":1,\"offset\":2432},\"end\":{\"line\":9,\"column\":484,\"offset\":2915}}},{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"\\n\"},{\"type\":\"element\",\"tagName\":\"p\",\"properties\":{},\"children\":[{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"sic transit gloria, and all that shit. keep circulating the tapes.\",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":11,\"column\":1,\"offset\":2917},\"end\":{\"line\":11,\"column\":67,\"offset\":2983}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":11,\"column\":1,\"offset\":2917},\"end\":{\"line\":11,\"column\":67,\"offset\":2983}}}],\"data\":{\"quirksMode\":false},\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":1,\"column\":1,\"offset\":0},\"end\":{\"line\":11,\"column\":67,\"offset\":2983}}}","initialLength":6,"expanded":"{\"type\":\"root\",\"children\":[],\"data\":{\"quirksMode\":false}}","expandedLength":0}},{"postId":600572,"headline":"the mass extinction of bowling alley computers","publishedAt":"2022-12-12T21:59:55.721Z","filename":"600572-the-mass-extinction","transparentShareOfPostId":null,"shareOfPostId":599203,"state":1,"numComments":17,"cws":[],"tags":["gravis-longposts","computers","retrocomputing"],"hasCohostPlus":true,"pinned":false,"commentsLocked":false,"sharesLocked":false,"blocks":[{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"To expand on what Liz is talking about, I think: One of the even bigger (literally) tragedies of retrocomputing is that it is mostly constrained to individual-scale machines."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The Living Computer Museum in Seattle closed during the pandemic. It seems unlikely that it will ever open again. While I had some Doubts about many of their curation choices, they did have an entire floor of interactive exhibits. Most of them were microcomputers, and it was very cool that you could use a Lisa, a Sun, a TI 99, a Tandy CoCo, and a NeXT in short order, with your own two hands, at your own pace. I know the preeminent collector of Xerox graphical workstations, and yet the first time I ever used one was at the LCM, not at his house."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"However, what was _even cooler_ was the Mainframe Room. A door at one end of the second floor led into a loud, cold room with raised flooring, in which a variety of machines from CDC, IBM, and others lived. There were terminals along one wall which would let you log into these systems, and in fact, you could even telnet into some of them from home."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"You couldn't touch the hardware, there were big signs to this effect everywhere - but it didn't make _sense_ to touch these machines, and this is germane to my point."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"An IBM System\u002F360 is not a \"device,\" unless you also think we should apply that term to, say, a steel mill. Yes, iron comes in one end and steel I-beams come out the other, and it all works together, but undeniably it is a collection of many devices, gadgets, and machines that collectively accomplish a goal."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I don't know which is more complex: the infrastructure behind a steel mill, or that behind a mainframe computer, but I know that neither one can be casually reconstructed."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"If you find a Sun _anything_ lurking in a disused office at your university, there's a good chance you can bring it home, plug in an IEC cable, possibly a monitor you already own (or one you can get on eBay for $400 shipped), and boot it right up. Perhaps the hard drive dies, but you can see the firmware go, and maybe replace the HDD."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"You _won't_ find a System\u002F360, and if you do, you will not be able to get it working. I have only ever heard of maybe a half dozen people under 60 who would even know where to start. They are extremely complex, extremely specific, and extremely _big_. They also did not get casually discarded or forgotten in offices - most of them were _deliberately_ sent to the trash, because they were simply too massive to keep around once they weren't needed anymore."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"There were countless incompatible revisions of everything. If you want a working mainframe, you will need to scour high and low, far and wide to bring together hundreds of parts, largely unlabeled except for line noise like \"10-1058A.\" Even the cables are so obscure that you will have to build them, not buy them. Some of the connectors were custom."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Nothing will work. You will need to read schematics in manuals that are _not_ on the internet, then do board repairs at the component level. You will need to test single transistors and know how to tell if one is \"injured,\" because they will not necessarily be entirely dead, nor will it be practical to bulk-replace them. You will make hours-long repairs that do not fix the problem. You simply cannot _tinker_ one of these back to life; you will need to become a genuine _expert._ "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"You will end up with at least one full 19\" rack; probably several. I know someone whose _entire garage_ is currently occupied by a single computer. I do not believe anyone else has one of these. There is no room to move around it. It does not work, and if it did, it would require a 480V AC supply at an amperage that would be challenging to obtain at most warehouses."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Once you've done all this work and you get the thing to boot up, congratulations: it's very, very boring. Even the people who _are_ into these things struggle to make them do anything. I was going to add some adjectives to that sentence, but that's really it."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Among one of my retrocomputing friend groups, the joke is that mainframes were for printing invoices. This is basically accurate. Generally, you can't sit down at a mainframe and \"open a program,\" and if you can, it's going to be unspeakably austere: a blank terminal with a blinking cursor and a couple meaningless numbers at the top and bottom of the screen, considered a UI masterpiece for its time."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Most of the programs are also gone - 99% of the software that ever existed for these systems was bespoke, never left the company that developed it, and even if you get it, you'll probably be in the \"Disk 5 of 10\" situation, where it depends on external systems that no longer exist. You might manage to get a hold of the tape labeled \"LITECORP ACCNTNG 1980 V1.6\", but you aren't going to get the blank database that was handcrafted when the thing was first written, without which it can't run."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And even if you got _all that_... it probably just prints invoices. That's what these were for. All your bank branches or insurance agencies send a tape once a month with the output from the minicomputer that runs the terminals at everyone's desks, and then a clerk reads each one into the machine, it slurps up all the customer records, and then a \"chain printer\" begins spewing (literally) bills that will later be stuffed into envelopes and mailed out."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Very probably, this system had no UI other than \"INSERT TAPE TO READ.\" If the software barfed, it probably dropped a physical trouble ticket* and a \"Systems Analyst\" (midcentury term for \"devops thought lord\") would either stare at the raw database or launch a debugger for some horrifying sludge language like PL360."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"\u003Csmall\u003E* This is artistic license - I don't know that the physical \"ticket drop\" ever occurred outside of the phone company.\u003C\u002Fsmall\u003E"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I have very little firsthand experience with these, I admit, and I'm conflating stories from other people. But this seems to be the consensus among everyone I've known who used this kind of gear."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Likewise, supercomputers - a word that has inspired awe in nerds for decades - are absolutely mind-numbingly uninteresting. A supercomputer is basically a device which accepts 10GB of integers, sits spinning its fans for two days, and then spits out \"10.582338.\" Scientists hoot and holler; this means something to them, but to nobody else."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Basically: retrocomputing _mostly_ orbits devices that are _easy, convenient, and immediately satisfying_ to collect and restore. In much the same way that people collect _cars_, but not so much _semi trucks_ or _locomotives_, which have to be preserved by Organizations, I don't really see much discussion of what is to become of Big Iron. And then there's stuff even further beyond that."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"There's that whole Youtube series about restoring the Apollo computer - which I think tailed off in viewership massively after one or two eps, because it turns out that, yeah, you talk to it in line noise and it just spits out a bunch of red LED digits. you can't, exactly, \"play\" with it, or even \"use\" it for anything other than landing a spaceship."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"It's good someone's fixing that up. But let's go even further: Who's preserving the bowling alley computers?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I've been thinking about this for literally decades. Something drives all those monitors over the lanes that show the scores, and then the skiier wiping out when you whiff it. Nowadays they _might_ be dedicated devices, but we can be absolutely certain that in 1995, there wasn't a video playback unit in every single one - and in 1990, there wasn't even a _computer_ in every one."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"They had to be terminals. But what kind? Obviously they were graphical, and they had those little custom keyboards. There almost certainly wasn't one dedicated computer per lane to talk to those things. My guess is that the screens were \"graphical dumb terminals\", if you will, and in the back room there was a minicomputer with 50 serial ports, half to talk to the keyboards, half to send proprietary drawing commands to the displays."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And then the video clips? Where did those come from? My guess is: Bank of five or six laserdisc players that get switched through to a display via some obnoxious serial-controlled matrix switcher whenever a clip needs to play."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The input from the lane sensors has to be some nightmarish spiderweb of 22 gauge wires tied into gigantic bundles that run from the mechanics into the backroom and terminate into some horrific 256-lane GPIO module."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And nobody knows _anything_ about all of this, as far as I can tell. I'm making shit up from whole cloth because there are *zero* webpages about it. And as old lanes go out of business and get demolished, or upgrade to newer gear, you can be sure the old stuff is just being goldscrapped."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"So what's the point of this rambling post? This: We are losing more than we are saving. How should we feel about this? What should we do?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Well, you can try to Paul Allen (founder of the living computer museum) the problem away. Become rich, or inveigle yourself with people who are rich, and begin traveling the world, collecting every scrap of every single machine that has ever been made and packing it all into a series of warehouses."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But then, where should you stop? If your warehouse contains System\u002F360s, shouldn't it contain bowling alley computers? Why not traffic light controllers? Avionics from mid-80s Boeing jets? What computer isn't worth preserving? You can either keep absolutely everything, or set an arbitrary line somewhere."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Keeping absolutely everything is problematic. I've _been_ to the warehouses of people who did this. The machines sit. Nobody is using them. They are inconvenient to dig out, and in uncertain condition. No one has the energy, time, and resources to get them _all_ working (not to mention the fact that much of \"fixing\" old machines is really borrowing from peter to pay paul; eventually we will run out of machines with donor parts.)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"If you _do_ pick an arbitrary cutoff for what to keep, well, you're probably going to have to go with \"is it interesting \u002F unique \u002F relevant.\" Can anyone alive now relate to it? Can it inform us in some way about the past, or give us ideas about how to improve the present? And can nothing else provide the same stimulus?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The problem is that once you do this... you're probably going to throw out a lot of those Unix workstations. What makes them special? Often, not very much. They're mostly \"crappy linux.\" They mostly had very similar commands and similar UI, and mostly ran software that was either very austere, or \"version 1 of a program that was ported near-identically to Windows NT in version 3.\" I have used several of them - SGIs, Suns, HP Apollos, AT&T Unix PCs, to name a few - and even the people who knew these machines intimately shrugged when I asked \"what can I actually do on here, what makes this special.\" They admitted readily that the answer was \"nothing, it kind of sucks.\""}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Of course, one option is to simply accept all this in a \"cosmic truth\" sense. Yes, we are only preserving a fraction of what was made - but in 50 years, it will very probably _all_ be dead. Why waste our lives struggling to preserve a past that is simply decaying? Do we really get that much out of it?"}}],"plainTextBody":"To expand on what Liz is talking about, I think: One of the even bigger (literally) tragedies of retrocomputing is that it is mostly constrained to individual-scale machines.\n\nThe Living Computer Museum in Seattle closed during the pandemic. It seems unlikely that it will ever open again. While I had some Doubts about many of their curation choices, they did have an entire floor of interactive exhibits. Most of them were microcomputers, and it was very cool that you could use a Lisa, a Sun, a TI 99, a Tandy CoCo, and a NeXT in short order, with your own two hands, at your own pace. I know the preeminent collector of Xerox graphical workstations, and yet the first time I ever used one was at the LCM, not at his house.\n\nHowever, what was _even cooler_ was the Mainframe Room. A door at one end of the second floor led into a loud, cold room with raised flooring, in which a variety of machines from CDC, IBM, and others lived. There were terminals along one wall which would let you log into these systems, and in fact, you could even telnet into some of them from home.\n\nYou couldn't touch the hardware, there were big signs to this effect everywhere - but it didn't make _sense_ to touch these machines, and this is germane to my point.\n\nAn IBM System\u002F360 is not a \"device,\" unless you also think we should apply that term to, say, a steel mill. Yes, iron comes in one end and steel I-beams come out the other, and it all works together, but undeniably it is a collection of many devices, gadgets, and machines that collectively accomplish a goal.\n\nI don't know which is more complex: the infrastructure behind a steel mill, or that behind a mainframe computer, but I know that neither one can be casually reconstructed.\n\nIf you find a Sun _anything_ lurking in a disused office at your university, there's a good chance you can bring it home, plug in an IEC cable, possibly a monitor you already own (or one you can get on eBay for $400 shipped), and boot it right up. Perhaps the hard drive dies, but you can see the firmware go, and maybe replace the HDD.\n\nYou _won't_ find a System\u002F360, and if you do, you will not be able to get it working. I have only ever heard of maybe a half dozen people under 60 who would even know where to start. They are extremely complex, extremely specific, and extremely _big_. They also did not get casually discarded or forgotten in offices - most of them were _deliberately_ sent to the trash, because they were simply too massive to keep around once they weren't needed anymore.\n\nThere were countless incompatible revisions of everything. If you want a working mainframe, you will need to scour high and low, far and wide to bring together hundreds of parts, largely unlabeled except for line noise like \"10-1058A.\" Even the cables are so obscure that you will have to build them, not buy them. Some of the connectors were custom.\n\nNothing will work. You will need to read schematics in manuals that are _not_ on the internet, then do board repairs at the component level. You will need to test single transistors and know how to tell if one is \"injured,\" because they will not necessarily be entirely dead, nor will it be practical to bulk-replace them. You will make hours-long repairs that do not fix the problem. You simply cannot _tinker_ one of these back to life; you will need to become a genuine _expert._ \n\nYou will end up with at least one full 19\" rack; probably several. I know someone whose _entire garage_ is currently occupied by a single computer. I do not believe anyone else has one of these. There is no room to move around it. It does not work, and if it did, it would require a 480V AC supply at an amperage that would be challenging to obtain at most warehouses.\n\nOnce you've done all this work and you get the thing to boot up, congratulations: it's very, very boring. Even the people who _are_ into these things struggle to make them do anything. I was going to add some adjectives to that sentence, but that's really it.\n\nAmong one of my retrocomputing friend groups, the joke is that mainframes were for printing invoices. This is basically accurate. Generally, you can't sit down at a mainframe and \"open a program,\" and if you can, it's going to be unspeakably austere: a blank terminal with a blinking cursor and a couple meaningless numbers at the top and bottom of the screen, considered a UI masterpiece for its time.\n\nMost of the programs are also gone - 99% of the software that ever existed for these systems was bespoke, never left the company that developed it, and even if you get it, you'll probably be in the \"Disk 5 of 10\" situation, where it depends on external systems that no longer exist. You might manage to get a hold of the tape labeled \"LITECORP ACCNTNG 1980 V1.6\", but you aren't going to get the blank database that was handcrafted when the thing was first written, without which it can't run.\n\nAnd even if you got _all that_... it probably just prints invoices. That's what these were for. All your bank branches or insurance agencies send a tape once a month with the output from the minicomputer that runs the terminals at everyone's desks, and then a clerk reads each one into the machine, it slurps up all the customer records, and then a \"chain printer\" begins spewing (literally) bills that will later be stuffed into envelopes and mailed out.\n\nVery probably, this system had no UI other than \"INSERT TAPE TO READ.\" If the software barfed, it probably dropped a physical trouble ticket* and a \"Systems Analyst\" (midcentury term for \"devops thought lord\") would either stare at the raw database or launch a debugger for some horrifying sludge language like PL360.\n\n\u003Csmall\u003E* This is artistic license - I don't know that the physical \"ticket drop\" ever occurred outside of the phone company.\u003C\u002Fsmall\u003E\n\nI have very little firsthand experience with these, I admit, and I'm conflating stories from other people. But this seems to be the consensus among everyone I've known who used this kind of gear.\n\nLikewise, supercomputers - a word that has inspired awe in nerds for decades - are absolutely mind-numbingly uninteresting. A supercomputer is basically a device which accepts 10GB of integers, sits spinning its fans for two days, and then spits out \"10.582338.\" Scientists hoot and holler; this means something to them, but to nobody else.\n\nBasically: retrocomputing _mostly_ orbits devices that are _easy, convenient, and immediately satisfying_ to collect and restore. In much the same way that people collect _cars_, but not so much _semi trucks_ or _locomotives_, which have to be preserved by Organizations, I don't really see much discussion of what is to become of Big Iron. And then there's stuff even further beyond that.\n\nThere's that whole Youtube series about restoring the Apollo computer - which I think tailed off in viewership massively after one or two eps, because it turns out that, yeah, you talk to it in line noise and it just spits out a bunch of red LED digits. you can't, exactly, \"play\" with it, or even \"use\" it for anything other than landing a spaceship.\n\nIt's good someone's fixing that up. But let's go even further: Who's preserving the bowling alley computers?\n\nI've been thinking about this for literally decades. Something drives all those monitors over the lanes that show the scores, and then the skiier wiping out when you whiff it. Nowadays they _might_ be dedicated devices, but we can be absolutely certain that in 1995, there wasn't a video playback unit in every single one - and in 1990, there wasn't even a _computer_ in every one.\n\nThey had to be terminals. But what kind? Obviously they were graphical, and they had those little custom keyboards. There almost certainly wasn't one dedicated computer per lane to talk to those things. My guess is that the screens were \"graphical dumb terminals\", if you will, and in the back room there was a minicomputer with 50 serial ports, half to talk to the keyboards, half to send proprietary drawing commands to the displays.\n\nAnd then the video clips? Where did those come from? My guess is: Bank of five or six laserdisc players that get switched through to a display via some obnoxious serial-controlled matrix switcher whenever a clip needs to play.\n\nThe input from the lane sensors has to be some nightmarish spiderweb of 22 gauge wires tied into gigantic bundles that run from the mechanics into the backroom and terminate into some horrific 256-lane GPIO module.\n\nAnd nobody knows _anything_ about all of this, as far as I can tell. I'm making shit up from whole cloth because there are *zero* webpages about it. And as old lanes go out of business and get demolished, or upgrade to newer gear, you can be sure the old stuff is just being goldscrapped.\n\nSo what's the point of this rambling post? This: We are losing more than we are saving. How should we feel about this? What should we do?\n\nWell, you can try to Paul Allen (founder of the living computer museum) the problem away. Become rich, or inveigle yourself with people who are rich, and begin traveling the world, collecting every scrap of every single machine that has ever been made and packing it all into a series of warehouses.\n\nBut then, where should you stop? If your warehouse contains System\u002F360s, shouldn't it contain bowling alley computers? Why not traffic light controllers? Avionics from mid-80s Boeing jets? What computer isn't worth preserving? You can either keep absolutely everything, or set an arbitrary line somewhere.\n\nKeeping absolutely everything is problematic. I've _been_ to the warehouses of people who did this. The machines sit. Nobody is using them. They are inconvenient to dig out, and in uncertain condition. No one has the energy, time, and resources to get them _all_ working (not to mention the fact that much of \"fixing\" old machines is really borrowing from peter to pay paul; eventually we will run out of machines with donor parts.)\n\nIf you _do_ pick an arbitrary cutoff for what to keep, well, you're probably going to have to go with \"is it interesting \u002F unique \u002F relevant.\" Can anyone alive now relate to it? Can it inform us in some way about the past, or give us ideas about how to improve the present? And can nothing else provide the same stimulus?\n\nThe problem is that once you do this... you're probably going to throw out a lot of those Unix workstations. What makes them special? Often, not very much. They're mostly \"crappy linux.\" They mostly had very similar commands and similar UI, and mostly ran software that was either very austere, or \"version 1 of a program that was ported near-identically to Windows NT in version 3.\" I have used several of them - SGIs, Suns, HP Apollos, AT&T Unix PCs, to name a few - and even the people who knew these machines intimately shrugged when I asked \"what can I actually do on here, what makes this special.\" They admitted readily that the answer was \"nothing, it kind of sucks.\"\n\nOf course, one option is to simply accept all this in a \"cosmic truth\" sense. Yes, we are only preserving a fraction of what was made - but in 50 years, it will very probably _all_ be dead. Why waste our lives struggling to preserve a past that is simply decaying? 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It's brought back my latent criticism for many of these games in how they fail to understand the humanity of the people who live and work in a city. "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"As Douglas wrote in the piece linked above, and later [echoed by Kunzelman in Vice](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.vice.com\u002Fen\u002Farticle\u002Fd33nmj\u002Fheres-how-to-ruin-a-city), as the concept of a city is reduced to a system, the ultimate goal becomes an exercise in making number go up. You want more people. You want more agents. You want more money. You want to push the simulation to become more complex within a finite box, which ultimately means you build upwards—and if you're building upwards, such projects assume that these complexes are *better* in some way than a base-level dwelling, and the ultimate goal is to build beyond basic developments because they enable you to collect the one definitive metric to the success of your mayoral mettle: more tax dollars."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"So, of course you want neighborhoods to have schools, and of course you want neighborhoods to have public safety institutions such as police and health care. These are needs that any neighborhood should have, but they become a gateway to success for the video game denizens. High wealth residents pay more tax dollars and that money becomes the metric for judging how successful your city is run. Thus, in games such as Cities Skylines, the highest echelon of development presumes high wealth citizens."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"---"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![A series of tall tenement blocks in a Sim City 4 city](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F2aa6fcb1-e18e-4bc4-aebf-d7065703672f\u002FGlenndale01.jpg)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Sim City 4 managed to strike a semblance of balance in this scenario instead by having low-medium-high tier developments in addition to wealth, so you could have large-developments for low-income residents, but these developments would automatically be subverted to higher-wealth developments the moment city services offered any modicum of quality of life improvements. "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Sim City 4 further complicated this by simulating urban blight by downgrading high-wealth buildings to middle and low-income if environmental factors failed to keep them \"desirable\" enough for its intended tiers, however, ultimately, developing a city meant playing a balancing act for you, the god-given rule of this plot of land to dictate a caste system where the poor will remain poor with lack of access to various services. And if you are a benevolent ruler who believes in things such as \"health care for all\" or \"everyone should have the opportunity to succeed in school,\" your cities become gleaming utopias with no space for the poors."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![A gentrified nice looking city](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F16bc00f2-fb64-41d5-a169-916499fee6bd)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"As an aside, perhaps the game that best managed to balance this was Focus Interactive's [Cities XL](https:\u002F\u002Fstore.steampowered.com\u002Fapp\u002F231140\u002FCities_XL_Platinum\u002F) series, which all things otherwise, was not a good game. XL, at the least, gave you control of what tier of wealth and what level of development you wanted to zone for each plot. Shoddy coding and game-breaking bad mechanics aside, this enabled cities to be equitably developed (should you choose to do so), though players could seldom be bothered to focus on such matters given most of your playtime was spent agonizing over resource management."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Thus, the utopic endgame of city building simulators is to have a highly educated high wealth citizenry who predominantly work in white-collar jobs, and often times that is only achievable by sweeping away any vestige of the \"global south.\" When everyone in your city is too well educated and too rich, they refuse to take jobs at manufacturing industries in town. So the more your city loses its industrial base, the more it assumes that its goods are being furnished by an invisible generator of materials no longer of concern for your city. And this is true in modern American society, as much of its consumer goods, food and luxury items are produced totally outside the context of its consumers' lives. "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![A slew of level 5 houses in a suburb in Cities: Skylines 1.0](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F24ec71c9-19a7-4725-840e-a101edf8aecb)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Moreover, opportunity equates to wealth and by the mere ability of residents being able to attend college, it assumes every residential agent in your city wishes to work in a high-wealth or high-education requisite job."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Chilean developer's [Urbek City Builder](https:\u002F\u002Fstore.steampowered.com\u002Fapp\u002F1411740\u002FUrbek_City_Builder\u002F), by contrast, heads off some of these limitations and develops cities based on the nature of each block. Higher-tier housing assumes the presence of schools, but the city develops tenements or condos depending on other extant factors such as proximity to industry and pollution, parks or other impacting factors like churches or commercial facilities. And Urbek also requires balanced growth by removing cash as the growth metric and instead focusing on conceptual resources of \"unskilled labor\" or \"science.\" "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"New buildings require investment of labor and some developments (such as factories) regularly consume labor. So high-tier developments like a nuclear power plant might, in theory, not require any low-income labor save for its initial construction, but its requirement for science points would necessitate a university, and that university needs a large base of a highly-skilled educated workforce, and they can only be supported with more middle-income suburbs, who in-turn consume food, necessitating a larger manual labor workforce to support that development, and so on."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Still, even Urbek fails to perfect this balance. In want of \"labor\", your development of the city makes you choose how a block develops. The late game crunch starts as high-tier developments are limited by a lack of lower-middle-class residents. Cities naturally start to lack basic-skilled laborers as it's increasingly easy to push suburbs into developing into solidly middle to upper-middle income blocks. To aid in this, the game's developer intended strategy is to build housing next factories, where the pollution will automatically relegate any housing development in these areas to shacks and tenements, which can be better developed with the addition of police stations. Another method of development includes the purposeful creation of \"poor suburbs\" which generate lower-tier labor (Perhaps tongue-in-cheek, these poor suburbs become far more happier with the addition of churches, which transform them into \"religious neighborhoods\" which produce lower-tier labor while keeping the citizenry content)."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![\"Poor suburbs\" in Urbek](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F6676173b-0e7f-49bc-85d0-11b3b8315711)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Cities Skylines has also had time to grow since its initial release 7 years ago, and perhaps Douglas and Kunzelman had some effect, as the city has introduced new policies to help cities grow more equitably. You can set certain parts of the city to emphasize trade schools and encourage residents to enter the workforce earlier rather than sticking around for a college degree. These conscious policy decisions help simulate a more equitable city where, regardless of city services provided, the city welcomes a more diverse workforce and that lower-income households also deserve services too. "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And to bring this back to my initial reference of the San Francisco Housing Element, I think about equity in development through that planning document because the Housing Element focuses on acknowledging the systemic racism the city enacted to shape it into what it is today. Much of the city's \"well-resourced\" neighborhoods developed with help from redlining and kept historically disenfranchised groups, namely BIPOC people, from moving in. And not only that, but those communities where BIPOC people could live were deemed \"blighted\" and [redeveloped in the previous century](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.foundsf.org\u002Findex.php?title=Fillmore_Redevelopment). "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The Housing Element offers historically disadvantaged neighborhoods relief, focusing new housing stock to be built in formerly inaccessible neighborhoods and, most importantly, handing previously ravaged communities a sense of self-determination by making development goals a community-driven process rather than a city-prescribed process. The community focused approach makes me realize that zoning strategies and city development isn't meant to be a god-mode game. It is perhaps the worst way to learn about cities, because letting one person decide how streets are laid out and where the garbage dump is situated ignores the most complex factor in the equation to building a city: what the people who have to live with your decisions think about it. "}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![Rioters protesting below as mansions sit on top of the hill, inaccessible](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F5a61bef2-b5bc-4e55-ada3-93ac5c21c423)"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"It's nonsensical in Cities Skylines for me to sit there and build a neighborhood to roleplay \"and this was a middle-income suburb built in the 1960s getting encroached by a growing downtown centre\" when I am in full control of figuring out how these neighborhoods can organically grow. And even in Urbek, who am I to judge that a city should become a nightlife district or not based on whether I prescribe a neighborhood bar to be built or not. A truly engaging city simulator would be one that has to play as mediator and take part in the political process. It would be a game such as.... a game such as.... oh no."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"![The title card for Urban Empire, a terrible 2017 city ruler game.](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002Fefb0b0ee-48cf-43c0-812f-14167611600d)"}}],"plainTextBody":"We're thinking back to the concept of [gentrification and the ultimate limitation of many city building simulators](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.pastemagazine.com\u002Fgames\u002Fcities-skylines\u002Fcities-skylines-is-a-gentrifiers-dream\u002F) as we really look into the [San Francisco Housing Element](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.sfhousingelement.org\u002F). It's brought back my latent criticism for many of these games in how they fail to understand the humanity of the people who live and work in a city. \n\nAs Douglas wrote in the piece linked above, and later [echoed by Kunzelman in Vice](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.vice.com\u002Fen\u002Farticle\u002Fd33nmj\u002Fheres-how-to-ruin-a-city), as the concept of a city is reduced to a system, the ultimate goal becomes an exercise in making number go up. You want more people. You want more agents. You want more money. You want to push the simulation to become more complex within a finite box, which ultimately means you build upwards—and if you're building upwards, such projects assume that these complexes are *better* in some way than a base-level dwelling, and the ultimate goal is to build beyond basic developments because they enable you to collect the one definitive metric to the success of your mayoral mettle: more tax dollars.\n\nSo, of course you want neighborhoods to have schools, and of course you want neighborhoods to have public safety institutions such as police and health care. These are needs that any neighborhood should have, but they become a gateway to success for the video game denizens. High wealth residents pay more tax dollars and that money becomes the metric for judging how successful your city is run. Thus, in games such as Cities Skylines, the highest echelon of development presumes high wealth citizens.\n\n---\n\n![A series of tall tenement blocks in a Sim City 4 city](https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F2aa6fcb1-e18e-4bc4-aebf-d7065703672f\u002FGlenndale01.jpg)\n\nSim City 4 managed to strike a semblance of balance in this scenario instead by having low-medium-high tier developments in addition to wealth, so you could have large-developments for low-income residents, but these developments would automatically be subverted to higher-wealth developments the moment city services offered any modicum of quality of life improvements. \n\nSim City 4 further complicated this by simulating urban blight by downgrading high-wealth buildings to middle and low-income if environmental factors failed to keep them \"desirable\" enough for its intended tiers, however, ultimately, developing a city meant playing a balancing act for you, the god-given rule of this plot of land to dictate a caste system where the poor will remain poor with lack of access to various services. And if you are a benevolent ruler who believes in things such as \"health care for all\" or \"everyone should have the opportunity to succeed in school,\" your cities become gleaming utopias with no space for the poors.\n\n![A gentrified nice looking city](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F16bc00f2-fb64-41d5-a169-916499fee6bd)\n\nAs an aside, perhaps the game that best managed to balance this was Focus Interactive's [Cities XL](https:\u002F\u002Fstore.steampowered.com\u002Fapp\u002F231140\u002FCities_XL_Platinum\u002F) series, which all things otherwise, was not a good game. XL, at the least, gave you control of what tier of wealth and what level of development you wanted to zone for each plot. Shoddy coding and game-breaking bad mechanics aside, this enabled cities to be equitably developed (should you choose to do so), though players could seldom be bothered to focus on such matters given most of your playtime was spent agonizing over resource management.\n\nThus, the utopic endgame of city building simulators is to have a highly educated high wealth citizenry who predominantly work in white-collar jobs, and often times that is only achievable by sweeping away any vestige of the \"global south.\" When everyone in your city is too well educated and too rich, they refuse to take jobs at manufacturing industries in town. So the more your city loses its industrial base, the more it assumes that its goods are being furnished by an invisible generator of materials no longer of concern for your city. And this is true in modern American society, as much of its consumer goods, food and luxury items are produced totally outside the context of its consumers' lives. \n\n![A slew of level 5 houses in a suburb in Cities: Skylines 1.0](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F24ec71c9-19a7-4725-840e-a101edf8aecb)\n\nMoreover, opportunity equates to wealth and by the mere ability of residents being able to attend college, it assumes every residential agent in your city wishes to work in a high-wealth or high-education requisite job.\n\nChilean developer's [Urbek City Builder](https:\u002F\u002Fstore.steampowered.com\u002Fapp\u002F1411740\u002FUrbek_City_Builder\u002F), by contrast, heads off some of these limitations and develops cities based on the nature of each block. Higher-tier housing assumes the presence of schools, but the city develops tenements or condos depending on other extant factors such as proximity to industry and pollution, parks or other impacting factors like churches or commercial facilities. And Urbek also requires balanced growth by removing cash as the growth metric and instead focusing on conceptual resources of \"unskilled labor\" or \"science.\" \n\nNew buildings require investment of labor and some developments (such as factories) regularly consume labor. So high-tier developments like a nuclear power plant might, in theory, not require any low-income labor save for its initial construction, but its requirement for science points would necessitate a university, and that university needs a large base of a highly-skilled educated workforce, and they can only be supported with more middle-income suburbs, who in-turn consume food, necessitating a larger manual labor workforce to support that development, and so on.\n\nStill, even Urbek fails to perfect this balance. In want of \"labor\", your development of the city makes you choose how a block develops. The late game crunch starts as high-tier developments are limited by a lack of lower-middle-class residents. Cities naturally start to lack basic-skilled laborers as it's increasingly easy to push suburbs into developing into solidly middle to upper-middle income blocks. To aid in this, the game's developer intended strategy is to build housing next factories, where the pollution will automatically relegate any housing development in these areas to shacks and tenements, which can be better developed with the addition of police stations. Another method of development includes the purposeful creation of \"poor suburbs\" which generate lower-tier labor (Perhaps tongue-in-cheek, these poor suburbs become far more happier with the addition of churches, which transform them into \"religious neighborhoods\" which produce lower-tier labor while keeping the citizenry content).\n\n![\"Poor suburbs\" in Urbek](https:\u002F\u002Fcohost.org\u002Fapi\u002Fv1\u002Fattachments\u002F6676173b-0e7f-49bc-85d0-11b3b8315711)\n\nCities Skylines has also had time to grow since its initial release 7 years ago, and perhaps Douglas and Kunzelman had some effect, as the city has introduced new policies to help cities grow more equitably. You can set certain parts of the city to emphasize trade schools and encourage residents to enter the workforce earlier rather than sticking around for a college degree. These conscious policy decisions help simulate a more equitable city where, regardless of city services provided, the city welcomes a more diverse workforce and that lower-income households also deserve services too. \n\nAnd to bring this back to my initial reference of the San Francisco Housing Element, I think about equity in development through that planning document because the Housing Element focuses on acknowledging the systemic racism the city enacted to shape it into what it is today. Much of the city's \"well-resourced\" neighborhoods developed with help from redlining and kept historically disenfranchised groups, namely BIPOC people, from moving in. 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The Pi is _the_ tiny single-board computer, and trying to use anything else _casually_ - that is, not writing your own goddamn kernel drivers - is going to be a worse experience."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I call this \"fouling the market\": there can only be one Canonical Single Board Computer, and it is the Pi. Nobody is ever going to create a competitor, because it's a foregone conclusion that it will never have more than 1% of the market share. There was one bite at the hook, and the raspi took it. The problem is that the Pi bit at the _wrong_ hook. It's a terrible SBC, because it's not meant to be one."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The _supposed_ goal as I understand it was to put a raspi on every student's desk, that it was supposed to be an electronics experiment workbench. I don't want to get into that, but IMO the Pi as an educational instrument is a misled, exhausting idea that tries to hearken back to a previous decade."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Meanwhile, there are tens of millions of these things sitting in drawers in nerd households, because the gap it inadvertently filled was \"staggeringly cheap fanless computer.\" And that gap existed for so, _so_ long that we would have taken _anything_ to fill it."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"We all wanted the same thing: a machine that could run commodity software - not necessarily x86, but at least not _too_ exotic - that was _small_ enough and _cheap_ enough, both to buy and operate, that we could buy it on a whim without having to Run any Numbers."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"When Intel announced the NUC, everyone I knew went apeshit for about fifteen minutes - until we found out that they're Six Hundred Fucking Dollars; Ray Smuckles money. There is no reason to buy a NUC; they're useless products. Unless you have a space of _exactly_ 8x8\" and it's the only place you can conceivably put a computer, then just buy an equivalent-specced laptop for the same price or less. It comes with a built-in diagnostic console as a free bonus."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The Pi is what we _wanted_ the NUC to be: Forty Goddamn Dollars.* They're so cheap and simple that you can forget you bought one at all, and that's why they're popular."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"\u003Csmall\u003E* Let's not discuss the fact that the Pi has not, practically, been Forty Goddamn Dollars for a long time. That's a whole other can of worms.\u003C\u002Fsmall\u003E"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The gap that everyone hoped the NUC would fill is \"I need to run a single ordinary program with extremely low requirements,\" but with the constraint, \"it has to be on a distinct OS image, not a VM,\" or the constraint \"it has to be in an inconvenient location that I can't really reach with another computer.\""}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"We wanted a device that could be a spare computer for situations where we _really didn't want one of those at all._ The Pi, with its miniscule power consumption and size, is the perfect solution... in theory."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I will debate whether a Pi is actually a reasonable \"server.\" For a lot of stuff, it's really a lot slower than people are willing to admit, especially if you don't have a 4. The 1 and 2 are slower than you probably remember if you aren't actively using one at the moment, and the 3 is... not as fast as you'd wish. The same old \"ARM chip not designed by Apple or at least Qualcomm\" problem."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But, you know, they can keep up with \"microserver\" type tasks. I don't _want_ a dedicated machine just for hosting DNS, I wish we had a better solution for that (let's... not talk about how my 'VM server for household needs' project went) but, you know, it's not THAT bad because the thing is just so small and cheap that you can excuse the fact that it's a whole separate computer that only does one task."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The problem is that it's an awkward piece of shit. It's designed as inconveniently as possible, and I will die on this hill."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Had the Pi been designed as _a computer_, it would have a power button, so you don't have to _unplug it_ to turn it off, because that's _stupid_. That's _obviously_ an unfinished product, even as a dev board, and I won't countenance arguments."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Had the Pi been designed as _a computer_, it would have all the ports on one side. The only reason it isn't designed that way is because dev boards are expected to sit in the middle of a desk or get screwed to a plywood board and have wires trailing off of them in all directions."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Had the Pi been designed as _a computer_, it would have a case - no, not just _a plastic clamshell_, but an actual case that has power and reset buttons and a power light and gives it a little weight. Because the Pi is so light that what ends up happening, inevitably, is that the stiffness of the PVC jacket in one of the cables you have plugged into it causes the board to twist and lift up off whatever surface it's on and slowly work its way off."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Had the Pi been designed as _a computer_, it would have a power input that wasn't a _fucking USB port._ Do not argue with me on this. A _computer_ should have a _latching power connector._"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The IEC inlets on desktop PCs are bad enough. There are absolutely latching versions of those, and it's criminal that they didn't start putting them on PCs 40 years ago, but at least the normal ones are big and chunky and have enough friction that they rarely get knocked out."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Micro USB is a garbage connector. We don't need to discuss that, it sucks ass. People will disagree with me on whether USBC is a garbage connector, but what I will assert is that it is _extremely precise_, too precise for the average cheap cable to be trustworthy. The same is not true for other connectors, like IEC, or DC barrel jacks, where even the cheapest Aliexpress sludge still retains _pretty_ reliably."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Of course, the DC barrel jack is what the Pi should have - yes, I know, they \"come in a million sizes\" and \"there's no standard voltage,\" but neither of those things are really true in practice. Virtually every power supply sold in the last decade has been 2.1mm and 12V and they're clearly labeled, so finding one is so easy that the complaint really doesn't pass muster in my opinion. But anyway."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The _objectively correct_ power jack for the Pi is a DC barrel with a screw collar, like most commercial products based around SBCs have used for a decade. That won't wear out after 1000 insertions (which you'll exceed in a week, since the pi doesn't have a goddamn power or reset switch) and randomly cut power to your \"server,\" and it's impossible for it to get pulled out by accident."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Now, surely the people who actually do EE experimentation with these things would hate some of these changes. I respect that, but since the Pi fouled the market, everyone's stuck with it. Nobody will EVER make another $40 \"PC\", and no, aliexpress sludge doesn't count."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"The value of the Pi vs. Ali sludge is that it's a rock solid reference platform that doesn't change. The _problem_ is that it's the only one we're ever going to get. 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I don't want to get into that, but IMO the Pi as an educational instrument is a misled, exhausting idea that tries to hearken back to a previous decade.\n\nMeanwhile, there are tens of millions of these things sitting in drawers in nerd households, because the gap it inadvertently filled was \"staggeringly cheap fanless computer.\" And that gap existed for so, _so_ long that we would have taken _anything_ to fill it.\n\nWe all wanted the same thing: a machine that could run commodity software - not necessarily x86, but at least not _too_ exotic - that was _small_ enough and _cheap_ enough, both to buy and operate, that we could buy it on a whim without having to Run any Numbers.\n\nWhen Intel announced the NUC, everyone I knew went apeshit for about fifteen minutes - until we found out that they're Six Hundred Fucking Dollars; Ray Smuckles money. There is no reason to buy a NUC; they're useless products. 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The same old \"ARM chip not designed by Apple or at least Qualcomm\" problem.\n\nBut, you know, they can keep up with \"microserver\" type tasks. I don't _want_ a dedicated machine just for hosting DNS, I wish we had a better solution for that (let's... not talk about how my 'VM server for household needs' project went) but, you know, it's not THAT bad because the thing is just so small and cheap that you can excuse the fact that it's a whole separate computer that only does one task.\n\nThe problem is that it's an awkward piece of shit. It's designed as inconveniently as possible, and I will die on this hill.\n\nHad the Pi been designed as _a computer_, it would have a power button, so you don't have to _unplug it_ to turn it off, because that's _stupid_. That's _obviously_ an unfinished product, even as a dev board, and I won't countenance arguments.\n\nHad the Pi been designed as _a computer_, it would have all the ports on one side. 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non-science","publishedAt":"2022-12-02T01:56:07.113Z","filename":"516283-on-science-and-non-s","transparentShareOfPostId":null,"shareOfPostId":null,"state":1,"numComments":3,"cws":[],"tags":["science","philosophy","psychology","religion","determinism","objectivism","skepticism","liberalism","instinct","emotion","power"],"hasCohostPlus":true,"pinned":false,"commentsLocked":false,"sharesLocked":false,"blocks":[{"type":"attachment","attachment":{"attachmentId":"6bd6402b-0355-49fd-a5ff-d0c71729476e","altText":"Carl cosplaying as the Golden Witch Beatrice from Umineko No Naku Koro Ni","previewURL":"https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F6bd6402b-0355-49fd-a5ff-d0c71729476e\u002Fbeavertrice.png","fileURL":"https:\u002F\u002Fstaging.cohostcdn.org\u002Fattachment\u002F6bd6402b-0355-49fd-a5ff-d0c71729476e\u002Fbeavertrice.png","width":647,"height":307}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I feel like I have a bit of an unusual relationship with science. Let's talk about it."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"---"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"### Early history"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"My parents were raised in deeply Protestant families, but both of them left the church before I was born. My mom had her own reasons for this, but for my dad, it was mostly because he was a man of science from a young age. He did not observe the hand of god tending to the world as his parents described it. So eventually he went into academics and helped to further his personal field of study."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I was instilled with those academic values growing up. I became a believer in truth and understanding. I believed the issues of the world could be healed with enough study and teaching on my part. I had a bit of a hostile attitude towards religion, for its role in distracting from those ideals of objective learning, and using it to promote bigotry."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Somewhere along the line, this approach developed into some form of nihilism for me, I think. I don't think my dad was a nihilist; I don't think he thought about things deeply enough to deal with abstract topics like \"morality\" or \"the meaning of existence\". After all, he was a man of science. Observable, measurable science. But I couldn't stop on that surface level, so I folded it into my own kind of depressing outlook on things (although I certainly had other reasons to be depressed)."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But then I went into psychology, a softer science than my dad was familiar with."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"### Psychology and fading reliance on science"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Psychology is a hard thing to treat scientifically. People's actions can be recorded and measured, but their interpretations and experience of things *can't* be--not directly. There's a lot of indirect inference going on in that field of study. Testing people's physiological reactions and cognitive abilities, sure, and occasionally asking them how they feel if nothing else works. But no direct insight into those emotions and feelings."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And so, psychology is unique among the fields of science, in my view, in that it *requires* engaging with philosophy to function. What is a mind? What is consciousness? What are emotions? What is experience? What is thought? What is a person? What is life? These questions can't be answered with physical instruments, but we need to assume answers to these questions in order to justify why anything observed with physical instruments is even relevant to us."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"In engaging with these issues, I realized something about science: Science *assumes* a deterministic universe. Science *assumes* a purely linear progression of cause and effect. There is no room in science for free will, or for luck, or for anything else that might influence events outside of measurable physical objects impacting other measurable physical objects."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"It's not because science is flawed, and it's not because science is false. Science is both cool and true. It just means that science is a tool that has its own limitations. There's tons of things in the universe that *are* determined from a linear progression from cause to effect. The hard sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology are good examples of this. It explains a lot of stuff in psychology, too! But science, by definition and by design, *cannot* deal with anything outside that physically measurable realm, and it doesn't cover all the nuances of everything *within* the physically measurable realm."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"I don't think this means that things outside science don't exist. I believe in free will. I believe in emotions. I believe in love. I don't have proof for these things, because, again, by definition, I can't. I just have my own personal felt experience to rely on--emotions that other people have no way of observing or measuring, but *I* do, and I trust these experiences."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But I think a lot of people fall into a trap with science when it comes to topics like this. I remember there were points in my psychology classes where they tried to use studies to show evidence that free will doesn't exist. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with decisions playing out *before* a person actually made the decisions... but to me, that just means that free will functions on a layer that human scientists haven't conceived or measured. Maybe even going backwards in time? I don't know, if you need *some* scientific precedence, I feel like that kinda stuff happens a lot in quantum physics."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"My point is, since science *depends* on a process being deterministic in order to make accurate statements about it, using scientific studies to *conclude* that something has a deterministic nature will always be circular reasoning. And circular reasoning goes *against* the rules of science. So I don't even try, and I rely on my feelings and instincts to help me with those potentially non-deterministic things instead."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"For this reason, and other reasons, I'm not really in the middle of the field of psychology anymore. I still care about people and think a lot about why they make the decisions they make, but I rely on a more wishy-washy touchy-feely approach nowadays. I feel like it's been a lot more helpful to me, even if it's still supported by some stuff I pick up from science."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"### Growing trust in emotions"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Somewhere around 2010, give or take a couple years, I was going through a personal renaissance of emotional expression. Some of this came from taking more active efforts to socialize with other people, but I feel a lot of it was tied into some internet movements\u002Ffandoms at the time, especially Homestuck and Friendship Is Magic. As the header image of this post implies, I was also influenced by Umineko No Naku Koro Ni; it wasn't part of any \"movement\", but it resonated with me a lot."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"It wasn't until around this time that I really started feeling more comfortable trusting *in* my own emotions. I think I was helped by seeing others growing tired of cynicism, looking for things to care about, and learning not to be *ashamed* of caring about those things. Part of the reason this is relevant to this post is because I think some of my personal shame of emotions came from that previous focus on logic and rationality, especially when communicating with others (since common ground is ostensibly easier when you're focused on objective truths)."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But it was also around this time that I encountered my headmate Felicia. I doubt that this was a coincidence. My *inclination* is to believe that a part of her was always there, but if I hadn't already gone through that process of determining that there was no real scientific definition for \"mind\", \"will\", or \"soul\", I wouldn't have been as accepting of the idea that someone else was living in my head with me. Oh, I knew better than to ever tell anyone *else* about her, but I trusted in my own perception enough to have faith that she was there."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And my life has been so much better with her in it. She helped me build confidence in myself. She helped me with my anxieties. She encouraged me to keep trying to find a better life even when I thought it was impossible. And she took care of me during my worst periods, when no one else was."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And then, ten years later, I realized I was trans. And would I have *ever* done that if I hadn't gone through the process of limiting my dependence on what could be learned from physical reality alone?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Sure, sure, there's plenty of scientific studies on trans people, validating the \"truth of transness\". I'm not saying those are illegitimate, or can't be useful in certain contexts. But I do think it's a mistake to rely on them as the foundation of what makes trans feelings \"real\". Your gender is real because you're experiencing it, not because of what others are capable of *observing* in you. I don't want transness to be defined by measurements that a doctor or scientist takes of you. I want it to be defined by what helps you be comfortable living your own life."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And let's be real, the main reason that \"being trans\" was ever doubted as a legitimate thing in the first place *is* because of the idea that the only thing that can be trusted is observable, measurable, physical reality. Because there's no way for others to measure all the little abstract things that made me realize I was, and would be more comfortable actively living as, a woman. But you know what *is* physically measurable? MAH DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"### Growing distrust in academia"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Here's the other reason I don't want to rely on science too much: Too often, science is used as a weapon. And in this particular case, I'm not talking about how science is used to *develop* weapons (although that's certainly a big problem). I'm talking about how it's used to manipulate or control people."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"There's not a way for me to talk about this without getting into politics, so here we go: It's hopefully obvious to most people that the primary thing conservatives care about is power. What I think is less obvious to people is that liberals *also* primarily care about power--they just make a point of distinguishing their power as the *right* kind of power, compared to conservatives. And their primary source of power is science and knowledge."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"For the people on top, what this translates to is an \"objective\" rationale for exerting the kinds of control that they do. Whatever the people below them *think* their problems or solutions are, it's irrelevant to the people on top as long as there's research pointing to something else as the *actual* problems or solutions. And the people on top will use this premise to override the wishes of... well, pretty much everyone. And there's no way for the people under them to argue about it if they don't have equivalent years of experience and education supporting them."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"There's already a problem inherent to this setup in that anyone with enough education to be in a position of power is too distant from anyone who *doesn't*. The higher you are in the hierarchy, the less familiar you are with the actual day-to-day troubles of the majority of people, and the more concerned you are with the bottom dollar."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But also, it ignores the fact that even scientific studies are biased to benefit the people on top over anyone else. Yes, science, *when studied properly*, is objective, isn't biased towards any individual or group. But first off, any science we do as humans isn't perfect science, because we're humans, and we don't perform or interpret things perfectly. And secondly, scientific studies *can* be performed about *any* topic, but the only topics that *are* actually studied are the topics that benefit the people with enough money and resources to fund those particular studies."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Even if these facts are emphasized to the people who go into research, they're not emphasized to anyone else. News media and businesses both benefit from making scientific research appear as infallible as possible, so long as the studies are benefitting them. When studies *don't* benefit them, those studies just aren't advertised or otherwise talked about. And *any* studies can be presented in abbreviated and exaggerated fashion to benefit whatever message is being pushed. And the resulting power disparities extend to all other fields that require education to enter, especially the medical industry."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And that's just the people on top. There are more regular people who weaponize science in more subtle ways, and this is where I come back to liberals in particular."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"In my experience, for the average liberal, knowledge and understanding is equivalent to *morality*. And to some extent, I agree that knowledge can be used in support of fairness, justice, and equality--it's hard to know how to even things out if you don't know how uneven they are to start with. But I feel liberals tend emphasize the association between knowledge and morality so strongly that they think just *having* knowledge is more moral than *not* having knowledge--and this means that uninformed and uneducated people are seen as immoral and inferior."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"For diehard liberals, knowledge becomes a form of social power. Of knowing the rules of wokeness, declaring oneself as an authority of those rules, being able to enforce those rules on others. Knowing who to criticize, and how to criticize them, for social clout. Which means they no longer use that knowledge only to criticize the people on top, but also all the normal people who have been successfully manipulated or kept in the dark *by* the people on top. When liberals use knowledge to these ends, I have trouble seeing the difference between them and any bigot that lives for finding socially acceptable targets to bully, all in a vain attempt to support and protect their own sense of self-esteem."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Let's bring it full circle and go back to the topic of people leaving religion due to having greater trust in observable science. Although I wasn't in the middle of the movement myself, my understanding is that for a while there were a growing number of \"online skeptics\" who were influential in criticizing religion, or criticizing generally harmful beliefs that people stuck to in spite of scientific evidence against those beliefs. But it's *also* my understanding that the people who used to do that have since moved away from that topic and have more lately focused on... criticizing trans people for living the way they do. Because as I already mentioned, it *can* be easy to criticize trans people when all you care about is observable reality, right?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"But something else I notice is that, even *when* that skepticism is directed towards religion, yes, it may sometimes be directed at harmful behavior... but objective realism has also been used as a justification to blanketly pile hate on the culture of more marginalized religions like Judaism or Islam, even if the aspects of those culture being focused on are harmless or positive. Again, using rationalism as an excuse to find socially acceptable targets to bully."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"### So what's the conclusion? \"Don't use science\"??"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"That is absolutely not my conclusion. Knowledge *is* power. And like any power, it can *and should* be used for good. The messages I want you to take away from this post are more along the lines of the following:"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Never forget that science, like any form of power, is a tool. You don't look to tools to determine your morals; you look to your personal values and emotions for that, and then *after* doing that, you use your tools to help you support those values. With enough practice, you can get your logic and emotions working together with each other, supporting each other, aiding each other. Not fighting against each other."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Never forget that, like any tool, science is more effective in some situations than others. It can't be used in all situations, and even in most situations where it *can* be, it's best to supplement it with other tools (like personal instinct, trying new things, or even guessing or taking risks). Take proper care of your tools, understand their limitations, and know how and when to use them."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"Never forget that science, like any form of power, has the ability to corrupt. To dominate, to manipulate, to harm. Especially when someone decides to pursue power for its *own* sake. And yes, that applies to people who pursue science for its own sake as well. Personally, I advise having another goal in mind when you pursue any type of power, knowledge or otherwise, and I personally think it's best when that goal involves loving and supporting people in some way."}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"And I don't want to promise anything, but I can tell you from personal experience: Once you learn how to let go of science, even if only for a brief period of time... you might just stumble into a new universe."}}],"plainTextBody":"I feel like I have a bit of an unusual relationship with science. Let's talk about it.\n\n---\n\n### Early history\n\nMy parents were raised in deeply Protestant families, but both of them left the church before I was born. My mom had her own reasons for this, but for my dad, it was mostly because he was a man of science from a young age. He did not observe the hand of god tending to the world as his parents described it. So eventually he went into academics and helped to further his personal field of study.\n\nI was instilled with those academic values growing up. I became a believer in truth and understanding. I believed the issues of the world could be healed with enough study and teaching on my part. I had a bit of a hostile attitude towards religion, for its role in distracting from those ideals of objective learning, and using it to promote bigotry.\n\nSomewhere along the line, this approach developed into some form of nihilism for me, I think. I don't think my dad was a nihilist; I don't think he thought about things deeply enough to deal with abstract topics like \"morality\" or \"the meaning of existence\". After all, he was a man of science. Observable, measurable science. But I couldn't stop on that surface level, so I folded it into my own kind of depressing outlook on things (although I certainly had other reasons to be depressed).\n\nBut then I went into psychology, a softer science than my dad was familiar with.\n\n### Psychology and fading reliance on science\n\nPsychology is a hard thing to treat scientifically. People's actions can be recorded and measured, but their interpretations and experience of things *can't* be--not directly. There's a lot of indirect inference going on in that field of study. Testing people's physiological reactions and cognitive abilities, sure, and occasionally asking them how they feel if nothing else works. But no direct insight into those emotions and feelings.\n\nAnd so, psychology is unique among the fields of science, in my view, in that it *requires* engaging with philosophy to function. What is a mind? What is consciousness? What are emotions? What is experience? What is thought? What is a person? What is life? These questions can't be answered with physical instruments, but we need to assume answers to these questions in order to justify why anything observed with physical instruments is even relevant to us.\n\nIn engaging with these issues, I realized something about science: Science *assumes* a deterministic universe. Science *assumes* a purely linear progression of cause and effect. There is no room in science for free will, or for luck, or for anything else that might influence events outside of measurable physical objects impacting other measurable physical objects.\n\nIt's not because science is flawed, and it's not because science is false. Science is both cool and true. It just means that science is a tool that has its own limitations. There's tons of things in the universe that *are* determined from a linear progression from cause to effect. The hard sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology are good examples of this. It explains a lot of stuff in psychology, too! But science, by definition and by design, *cannot* deal with anything outside that physically measurable realm, and it doesn't cover all the nuances of everything *within* the physically measurable realm.\n\nI don't think this means that things outside science don't exist. I believe in free will. I believe in emotions. I believe in love. I don't have proof for these things, because, again, by definition, I can't. I just have my own personal felt experience to rely on--emotions that other people have no way of observing or measuring, but *I* do, and I trust these experiences.\n\nBut I think a lot of people fall into a trap with science when it comes to topics like this. I remember there were points in my psychology classes where they tried to use studies to show evidence that free will doesn't exist. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with decisions playing out *before* a person actually made the decisions... but to me, that just means that free will functions on a layer that human scientists haven't conceived or measured. Maybe even going backwards in time? I don't know, if you need *some* scientific precedence, I feel like that kinda stuff happens a lot in quantum physics.\n\nMy point is, since science *depends* on a process being deterministic in order to make accurate statements about it, using scientific studies to *conclude* that something has a deterministic nature will always be circular reasoning. And circular reasoning goes *against* the rules of science. So I don't even try, and I rely on my feelings and instincts to help me with those potentially non-deterministic things instead.\n\nFor this reason, and other reasons, I'm not really in the middle of the field of psychology anymore. I still care about people and think a lot about why they make the decisions they make, but I rely on a more wishy-washy touchy-feely approach nowadays. I feel like it's been a lot more helpful to me, even if it's still supported by some stuff I pick up from science.\n\n### Growing trust in emotions\n\nSomewhere around 2010, give or take a couple years, I was going through a personal renaissance of emotional expression. Some of this came from taking more active efforts to socialize with other people, but I feel a lot of it was tied into some internet movements\u002Ffandoms at the time, especially Homestuck and Friendship Is Magic. As the header image of this post implies, I was also influenced by Umineko No Naku Koro Ni; it wasn't part of any \"movement\", but it resonated with me a lot.\n\nIt wasn't until around this time that I really started feeling more comfortable trusting *in* my own emotions. I think I was helped by seeing others growing tired of cynicism, looking for things to care about, and learning not to be *ashamed* of caring about those things. Part of the reason this is relevant to this post is because I think some of my personal shame of emotions came from that previous focus on logic and rationality, especially when communicating with others (since common ground is ostensibly easier when you're focused on objective truths).\n\nBut it was also around this time that I encountered my headmate Felicia. I doubt that this was a coincidence. My *inclination* is to believe that a part of her was always there, but if I hadn't already gone through that process of determining that there was no real scientific definition for \"mind\", \"will\", or \"soul\", I wouldn't have been as accepting of the idea that someone else was living in my head with me. Oh, I knew better than to ever tell anyone *else* about her, but I trusted in my own perception enough to have faith that she was there.\n\nAnd my life has been so much better with her in it. She helped me build confidence in myself. She helped me with my anxieties. She encouraged me to keep trying to find a better life even when I thought it was impossible. And she took care of me during my worst periods, when no one else was.\n\nAnd then, ten years later, I realized I was trans. And would I have *ever* done that if I hadn't gone through the process of limiting my dependence on what could be learned from physical reality alone?\n\nSure, sure, there's plenty of scientific studies on trans people, validating the \"truth of transness\". I'm not saying those are illegitimate, or can't be useful in certain contexts. But I do think it's a mistake to rely on them as the foundation of what makes trans feelings \"real\". Your gender is real because you're experiencing it, not because of what others are capable of *observing* in you. I don't want transness to be defined by measurements that a doctor or scientist takes of you. I want it to be defined by what helps you be comfortable living your own life.\n\nAnd let's be real, the main reason that \"being trans\" was ever doubted as a legitimate thing in the first place *is* because of the idea that the only thing that can be trusted is observable, measurable, physical reality. Because there's no way for others to measure all the little abstract things that made me realize I was, and would be more comfortable actively living as, a woman. But you know what *is* physically measurable? MAH DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII\n\n### Growing distrust in academia\n\nHere's the other reason I don't want to rely on science too much: Too often, science is used as a weapon. And in this particular case, I'm not talking about how science is used to *develop* weapons (although that's certainly a big problem). I'm talking about how it's used to manipulate or control people.\n\nThere's not a way for me to talk about this without getting into politics, so here we go: It's hopefully obvious to most people that the primary thing conservatives care about is power. What I think is less obvious to people is that liberals *also* primarily care about power--they just make a point of distinguishing their power as the *right* kind of power, compared to conservatives. And their primary source of power is science and knowledge.\n\nFor the people on top, what this translates to is an \"objective\" rationale for exerting the kinds of control that they do. Whatever the people below them *think* their problems or solutions are, it's irrelevant to the people on top as long as there's research pointing to something else as the *actual* problems or solutions. And the people on top will use this premise to override the wishes of... well, pretty much everyone. And there's no way for the people under them to argue about it if they don't have equivalent years of experience and education supporting them.\n\nThere's already a problem inherent to this setup in that anyone with enough education to be in a position of power is too distant from anyone who *doesn't*. The higher you are in the hierarchy, the less familiar you are with the actual day-to-day troubles of the majority of people, and the more concerned you are with the bottom dollar.\n\nBut also, it ignores the fact that even scientific studies are biased to benefit the people on top over anyone else. Yes, science, *when studied properly*, is objective, isn't biased towards any individual or group. But first off, any science we do as humans isn't perfect science, because we're humans, and we don't perform or interpret things perfectly. And secondly, scientific studies *can* be performed about *any* topic, but the only topics that *are* actually studied are the topics that benefit the people with enough money and resources to fund those particular studies.\n\nEven if these facts are emphasized to the people who go into research, they're not emphasized to anyone else. News media and businesses both benefit from making scientific research appear as infallible as possible, so long as the studies are benefitting them. When studies *don't* benefit them, those studies just aren't advertised or otherwise talked about. And *any* studies can be presented in abbreviated and exaggerated fashion to benefit whatever message is being pushed. And the resulting power disparities extend to all other fields that require education to enter, especially the medical industry.\n\nAnd that's just the people on top. There are more regular people who weaponize science in more subtle ways, and this is where I come back to liberals in particular.\n\nIn my experience, for the average liberal, knowledge and understanding is equivalent to *morality*. And to some extent, I agree that knowledge can be used in support of fairness, justice, and equality--it's hard to know how to even things out if you don't know how uneven they are to start with. But I feel liberals tend emphasize the association between knowledge and morality so strongly that they think just *having* knowledge is more moral than *not* having knowledge--and this means that uninformed and uneducated people are seen as immoral and inferior.\n\nFor diehard liberals, knowledge becomes a form of social power. Of knowing the rules of wokeness, declaring oneself as an authority of those rules, being able to enforce those rules on others. Knowing who to criticize, and how to criticize them, for social clout. Which means they no longer use that knowledge only to criticize the people on top, but also all the normal people who have been successfully manipulated or kept in the dark *by* the people on top. When liberals use knowledge to these ends, I have trouble seeing the difference between them and any bigot that lives for finding socially acceptable targets to bully, all in a vain attempt to support and protect their own sense of self-esteem.\n\nLet's bring it full circle and go back to the topic of people leaving religion due to having greater trust in observable science. Although I wasn't in the middle of the movement myself, my understanding is that for a while there were a growing number of \"online skeptics\" who were influential in criticizing religion, or criticizing generally harmful beliefs that people stuck to in spite of scientific evidence against those beliefs. But it's *also* my understanding that the people who used to do that have since moved away from that topic and have more lately focused on... criticizing trans people for living the way they do. Because as I already mentioned, it *can* be easy to criticize trans people when all you care about is observable reality, right?\n\nBut something else I notice is that, even *when* that skepticism is directed towards religion, yes, it may sometimes be directed at harmful behavior... but objective realism has also been used as a justification to blanketly pile hate on the culture of more marginalized religions like Judaism or Islam, even if the aspects of those culture being focused on are harmless or positive. Again, using rationalism as an excuse to find socially acceptable targets to bully.\n\n### So what's the conclusion? \"Don't use science\"??\n\nThat is absolutely not my conclusion. Knowledge *is* power. And like any power, it can *and should* be used for good. The messages I want you to take away from this post are more along the lines of the following:\n\nNever forget that science, like any form of power, is a tool. You don't look to tools to determine your morals; you look to your personal values and emotions for that, and then *after* doing that, you use your tools to help you support those values. With enough practice, you can get your logic and emotions working together with each other, supporting each other, aiding each other. Not fighting against each other.\n\nNever forget that, like any tool, science is more effective in some situations than others. It can't be used in all situations, and even in most situations where it *can* be, it's best to supplement it with other tools (like personal instinct, trying new things, or even guessing or taking risks). Take proper care of your tools, understand their limitations, and know how and when to use them.\n\nNever forget that science, like any form of power, has the ability to corrupt. To dominate, to manipulate, to harm. Especially when someone decides to pursue power for its *own* sake. 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When liberals use knowledge to these ends, I have trouble seeing the difference between them and any bigot that lives for finding socially acceptable targets to bully, all in a vain attempt to support and protect their own sense of self-esteem.\",\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":65,\"column\":445,\"offset\":12372},\"end\":{\"line\":65,\"column\":710,\"offset\":12637}}}],\"position\":{\"start\":{\"line\":65,\"column\":1,\"offset\":11928},\"end\":{\"line\":65,\"column\":710,\"offset\":12637}}},{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"\\n\"},{\"type\":\"element\",\"tagName\":\"p\",\"properties\":{},\"children\":[{\"type\":\"text\",\"value\":\"Let's bring it full circle and go back to the topic of people leaving religion due to having greater trust in observable science. 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href="https://cohost.org/autogynamelia/post/1046787-more-equal-than-othe" class="hover:underline">2 mo. ago</a></time></div><div><div><div class="flex w-full flex-row p-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/autogynamelia/post/1046787-more-equal-than-othe" class="flex-grow self-center break-words font-atkinson text-xl font-bold text-black hover:underline"><h1>More Equal Than Others</h1></a></div><div class="px-3 relative overflow-hidden isolate" data-post-body="true" data-testid="post-body"><div class="prose my-4 break-words"><p>The idea that being cis is inherently superior to and more desirable than being trans is the great unexamined assumption at the foundation of the worldview of most people, even allies, even trans people, and they all get very uncomfortable very fast when you start to question it.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Most cis people, even those who consider themselves trans allies, along with most trans people who have achieved quiet assimilation within cisnormative society or aspire to it, are deeply uncomfortable at the prospect of no longer being privileged for being "normal".<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Most cis people, even the ones who think they're allies, deep down still ultimately want trans people to remain objects of pity and curiosity and reflexively bristle at the idea of truly normalizing being trans and seeing it as a difference as benign as eye color.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>To state it even more bluntly, most cis people, even the ones who think of themselves as trans allies, and a lot of trans people who pass as cis, want to keep being better than trans people a lot more than they want any kind of true liberation for trans people.<!-- --></p></div></div></div></div><hr class="mx-3 border-gray-300"></div><div><a id="post-1054714" class="relative -top-20"></a><div class="m-3 flex flex-row flex-wrap items-center gap-2"><div class="flex-0 mask relative aspect-square h-8 w-8 "><img 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class="prose my-4 break-words"><p>I grew up in a liberal, cis-focused culture that was not aware of the existence of trans people for the most part. Because of this, it took me way too long to realize that being trans was even an option, and even longer than <!-- --><em>that<!-- --></em> to realize <!-- --><em>I<!-- --></em> was trans.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Growing up in an environment like that, it's easy to view the idea of being transgender as something that gets <!-- --><em>tacked onto<!-- --></em> a default cis lifestyle.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>But I still grew up with liberal tendencies, and liberals still have a tendency to offer some vague kind of consideration to marginalized groups, if only for keeping up appearances. And so it was perhaps inevitable that I approached the idea of transgender people with the cultural message of "Well, trans women are actually the same as cis women! No differences, aside from different starting points!"<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>So I felt a little weird when I started transitioning, and I realized I generally felt more comfortable around trans women than I did around cis women. Did this mean I had internalized the idea that there was something fundamentally different about trans women? Did I not <!-- --><em>actually<!-- --></em> view cis and trans women as equals?<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>So like... I have another example of misguided liberal thought to compare to this. Another message that was ingrained in me when I was growing up, on the topic of racial equality this time, is "black and white people deserve equal rights because there are no differences between black people and white people. Both groups are groups of human beings." And at face value, that seems like a pretty solid message, right?<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>But I'm white, and there initially wasn't much reason for me to question this ideal. But as I got older and started hearing more about the experiences of PoC, I came to understand that there is still a racist implication in this message, because white people often frame it to mean that black people <!-- --><em>can be<!-- --></em> equal if they <!-- --><em>choose<!-- --></em> to match the cultural expectations of white people. Because there's still an underlying assumption among many white people that "being human" is equivalent to "being culturally white".<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Different cultural groups are going to have different traditions, beliefs, and values. Because of this, it is a falsehood to say that different cultural groups are <!-- --><em>the same<!-- --></em> as each other, or should have the same goals. However, it would also be false to say that this makes any given culture <!-- --><em>lesser<!-- --></em> or <!-- --><em>greater<!-- --></em> than another, because <!-- --><em>all<!-- --></em> cultures develop their values in response to the shared premise of trying to figure out how to survive, thrive, and be happy on this godforsaken planet. Different people are taking different approaches from each other, and we should be <!-- --><em>thankful<!-- --></em> that this is true, because it means we can all learn new things from each other.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>So let's take this idea learned from ethnic/geographical cultures and compare it to gender cultures. My conclusion is no, I <!-- --><em>don't<!-- --></em> think trans women and cis women are the same. I think the reason liberals shy away from this statement is because they think the implication of it is that trans women are like <!-- --><em>men<!-- --></em>--and I absolutely <!-- --><em>do not<!-- --></em> think that. I <!-- --><em>know<!-- --></em> trans women are women. I know trans women and cis women are together under the broader umbrella of "women". I just don't think this fact <!-- --><em>in itself<!-- --></em> means that trans women are the <!-- --><em>same as<!-- --></em> cis women.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Just as people from two different cultures come from two different backgrounds, and develop their own personal views and values in response to that background, trans women and cis women also come from different kinds of backgrounds that fundamentally shapes how they approach ideas of gender and everything else in life. <!-- --><em>Some<!-- --></em> part of that is biological, sure, but most of it is cultural, in itself.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>I don't think there's anything wrong with this. The more specific parts of your identity you share with another person, the more you're gonna have in common, and the easier it will be for the two of you to communicate with each other (generally speaking). Cis women are generally going to have an easier time connecting with other cis women than with trans women, and trans women are generally going to have an easier time connecting to other trans women than to cis women.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>However, this does not stop trans women and cis women from already having a substantial amount in common with each other just by nature of both being women. And it doesn't make being trans better or worse than being cis. Just... different. And trans women and cis women <!-- --><em>can<!-- --></em> come together and learn from each other because they have those differences from each other. And again, that's a <!-- --><em>good<!-- --></em> thing.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>...I've focused a lot on women in this post, in part because I'm one, and in part because, let's be real here, usually when liberals or conservatives think about trans people, they're thinking about trans women specifically. But everything I say here applies to other gender identities, too. (Well, men primarily, since that's the only other element of the liberal assumption binary. But hopefully you get what I mean.)<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>When you meet another human, you will always be able to communicate and relate to each other on the basis of being human. Whatever more <!-- --><em>specific<!-- --></em> things you share will help foster communication further, but don't focus on only that. Accept and respect the other's differences, and focus on the excitement of the fact that it means they may have new thoughts and experiences to offer to you that you wouldn't have otherwise.<!-- --></p></div><div class="absolute bottom-0 left-0 right-0 flex flex-col px-3"><span class="inline-block h-8 w-full bg-gradient-to-t from-white pl-4"></span><a class="inline-block cursor-pointer bg-white pb-3 text-sm font-bold text-cherry hover:underline">read more</a></div></div></div></div></div><hr class="mx-3 border-gray-300"><footer class="w-full max-w-full rounded-b-lg bg-notWhite p-3"><div class="flex justify-between align-middle"><div class="w-max flex-none"><a href="https://cohost.org/llll/post/1054957-empty" class="text-sm text-gray-400 hover:underline">0 comments<!-- --> + 3 on shared posts<!-- --></a></div><div class="flex justify-end gap-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/rc/login" class="h-6 w-6 text-notBlack"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 24 24" 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object-cover" alt="llll"></div><a rel="author" href="https://cohost.org/llll" class="block max-w-full flex-shrink truncate font-atkinson font-bold text-notBlack hover:underline" title="Ellie">Ellie</a><a href="https://cohost.org/llll" class="block font-atkinson font-normal text-gray-600 hover:underline">@<!-- -->llll<!-- --></a><time datetime="2023-01-14T17:10:13.736+00:00" class="block flex-none text-xs tabular-nums text-gray-500" title="Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 5:10 PM"><a href="https://cohost.org/llll/post/843719-empty" class="hover:underline">3 mo. ago</a></time><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true" class="h-5 w-5 text-notBlack"><path fill-rule="evenodd" d="M4.755 10.059a7.5 7.5 0 0112.548-3.364l1.903 1.903h-3.183a.75.75 0 100 1.5h4.992a.75.75 0 00.75-.75V4.356a.75.75 0 00-1.5 0v3.18l-1.9-1.9A9 9 0 003.306 9.67a.75.75 0 101.45.388zm15.408 3.352a.75.75 0 00-.919.53 7.5 7.5 0 01-12.548 3.364l-1.902-1.903h3.183a.75.75 0 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src="https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/8ebf97b5-580c-4797-9404-be910637e3a2/transy.png?width=675&amp;dpr=1" srcset=" https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/8ebf97b5-580c-4797-9404-be910637e3a2/transy.png?width=675&amp;dpr=1 1x, https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/8ebf97b5-580c-4797-9404-be910637e3a2/transy.png?width=675&amp;dpr=2 2x, https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/8ebf97b5-580c-4797-9404-be910637e3a2/transy.png?width=675&amp;dpr=3 3x, " class="h-full w-full object-cover cursor-pointer" data-attachment-id="8ebf97b5-580c-4797-9404-be910637e3a2" alt="" title=""></div></div><div class="px-3 relative overflow-hidden isolate" data-post-body="true" data-testid="post-body"><div class="prose my-4 break-words"><p>"I need to be useful in a social situation or I panic. Hello! Can I take your coat! Can I help make you drinks! Can I help put out the food! Do you need furniture moved! Can I sort your clothing by color and sub sort by texture! Please for the love of God give me something to do that isn’t small talk! I’m not the only person I’ve met who has a story about fixing a toilet at a party, and its always such a joy and relief when I meet these other people, which I finally have started doing. Other autistics and the socially anxious, generally. People who struggle with the intricacies of acting human in this society...<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>My favorite characters are robots and I never looked up to girl characters or saw myself in them. I loved robots so much but didn’t recognize the feeling as representation because that doesn’t make sense! They’re not people like me, and besides that they were usually Boys. And then there was 7 of 9, a robot girl, but also a sex object. Not allowed to just be a robot girl, she also had to be really hot. Very confusing. So can I be a robot girl if I’m also really hot? No, that’s an entire set of violence all it’s own. People are a lot nicer to robots on TV than to autistics in real life. Part of the joy of watching sci-fi is how robots are a valued, cherished part of the team. Their social mistakes are seen as endearing and quirky and met with compassion instead of being yelled at, slapped, sanctioned, drugged, imprisoned, killed. As it was I spent a lot of my childhood feeling confused, guilty, traumatized, and deeply sad."<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>--moss williams, "Antifa, Autism, and the Border Wall Around Punk"<!-- --></p></div></div></div></div></div><hr class="mx-3 border-gray-300"><footer class="w-full max-w-full rounded-b-lg bg-notWhite p-3"><div class="flex justify-between align-middle"><div class="w-max flex-none"><a href="https://cohost.org/llll/post/843719-empty" class="text-sm text-gray-400 hover:underline">0 comments<!-- --></a></div><div class="flex justify-end gap-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/rc/login" class="h-6 w-6 text-notBlack"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 24 24" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" d="M15.75 9V5.25A2.25 2.25 0 0013.5 3h-6a2.25 2.25 0 00-2.25 2.25v13.5A2.25 2.25 0 007.5 21h6a2.25 2.25 0 002.25-2.25V15m3 0l3-3m0 0l-3-3m3 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--></a><time datetime="2023-01-02T14:10:32.692+00:00" class="block flex-none text-xs tabular-nums text-gray-500" title="Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 2:10 PM"><a href="https://cohost.org/AriaSalvatrice/post/768050-people-writing-serio" class="hover:underline">4 mo. ago</a></time></div><div><div><div class="px-3 relative overflow-hidden isolate" data-post-body="true" data-testid="post-body"><div class="prose my-4 break-words"><p>People writing serious big deal sincere articles about the visual language of windows 11 is so damn funny to me<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>All our UIs are basically 3D scenes running on stupidly powerful GPUs capable of rendering incredibly complex layered and textured views of rococo decadence. Instead you got big fucking monochrome rectangles with some sans-serif and your brand's unique shade of blue, it's rendered with a leaning tower of javascript. Big tech companies go through their mid-life crisis by commissioning their own typeface that's just yet another goddamn neo-grotesque that 99% of the world can't tell apart from arial, 1% can tell apart because "it looks worse and feels off". Nothing feels fully consistent, yet everything looks the exact same<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Some "apps" have a design that don't feel "native" on windows 11? Give me a fucking break, every single modern software looks equally at home on a mac, android, or windows environment, in that it looks like amorphous flat bullshit, and lacks basic affordances that were a solved problem 30 years ago, such as telling which window has focus, or having a scrollbar you can see<!-- --></p></div></div></div></div></div><hr class="mx-3 border-gray-300"><footer class="w-full max-w-full rounded-b-lg bg-notWhite p-3"><div class="flex justify-between align-middle"><div class="w-max flex-none"><a href="https://cohost.org/llll/post/802386-empty" class="text-sm text-gray-400 hover:underline">28 comments<!-- --></a></div><div class="flex justify-end gap-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/rc/login" class="h-6 w-6 text-notBlack"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 24 24" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" d="M15.75 9V5.25A2.25 2.25 0 0013.5 3h-6a2.25 2.25 0 00-2.25 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title="Ellie">Ellie</a><a href="https://cohost.org/llll" class="block font-atkinson font-normal text-gray-600 hover:underline">@<!-- -->llll<!-- --></a><time datetime="2023-01-07T18:47:27.704+00:00" class="block flex-none text-xs tabular-nums text-gray-500" title="Sat, Jan 7, 2023, 6:47 PM"><a href="https://cohost.org/llll/post/802252-empty" class="hover:underline">4 mo. ago</a></time><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="currentColor" aria-hidden="true" class="h-5 w-5 text-notBlack"><path fill-rule="evenodd" d="M4.755 10.059a7.5 7.5 0 0112.548-3.364l1.903 1.903h-3.183a.75.75 0 100 1.5h4.992a.75.75 0 00.75-.75V4.356a.75.75 0 00-1.5 0v3.18l-1.9-1.9A9 9 0 003.306 9.67a.75.75 0 101.45.388zm15.408 3.352a.75.75 0 00-.919.53 7.5 7.5 0 01-12.548 3.364l-1.902-1.903h3.183a.75.75 0 000-1.5H2.984a.75.75 0 00-.75.75v4.992a.75.75 0 001.5 0v-3.18l1.9 1.9a9 9 0 0015.059-4.035.75.75 0 00-.53-.918z" clip-rule="evenodd"></path></svg><div class="flex-0 mask relative aspect-square h-8 w-8 lg:hidden"><img src="https://staging.cohostcdn.org/avatar/444-c528d22c-3787-40b5-bf3c-fafbf6f28aa0-profile.jpeg?dpr=2&amp;width=80&amp;height=80&amp;fit=cover" class="mask mask-squircle h-full w-full object-cover" alt="millenomi"></div><a rel="author" href="https://cohost.org/millenomi" class="block max-w-full flex-shrink truncate font-atkinson font-bold text-notBlack hover:underline" title="✾ Aura, a Lady.">✾ Aura, a Lady.</a><a href="https://cohost.org/millenomi" class="block font-atkinson font-normal text-gray-600 hover:underline">@<!-- -->millenomi<!-- --></a></div><div class="relative h-6 w-6" data-headlessui-state=""><button class="absolute right-0 top-0" id="headlessui-menu-button-:R664laj6:" type="button" aria-haspopup="true" aria-expanded="false" data-headlessui-state=""><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 24 24" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="currentColor" aria-hidden="true" class="h-6 w-6 text-notBlack transition-transform 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datetime="2023-01-01T21:53:45.317+00:00" class="block flex-none text-xs tabular-nums text-gray-500" title="Sun, Jan 1, 2023, 9:53 PM"><a href="https://cohost.org/mcc/post/762125-joseph-ratzinger-s-a" class="hover:underline">4 mo. ago</a></time></div><div><div><div class="flex w-full flex-row p-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/mcc/post/762125-joseph-ratzinger-s-a" class="flex-grow self-center break-words font-atkinson text-xl font-bold text-black hover:underline"><h1>Joseph Ratzinger's argument for transhumanism</h1></a></div><div class="px-3 relative overflow-hidden isolate" data-post-body="true" data-testid="post-body"><div class="prose my-4 break-words"><p>Joseph Ratzinger, the guy the Catholic church gave the title "Pope Benedict XVI", died yesterday. There's one thing I'll always remember Mr. Ratzinger for, his <!-- --><a href="https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2012/december/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20121221_auguri-curia.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">2012 Christmas address<!-- --></a>. This was his final Christmas address, and since he did voluntarily retire he probably knew it would be so at the time. He decided to use this last precious opportunity to speak out against what he apparently viewed as the biggest and most pressing danger in the world, which was… transgenderism, and tolerance of transgenderism, which he called "gender ideology". The resulting tirade was bad-faith, eliminationist, and contains many intellectual errors from misreading Simone de Beauvoir on up, but I'll always remember it for this one accidentally incredible paragraph, in which Mr. Ratzinger attempts to summarize the position of his enemies (i.e.,us); and accidentally manages to make trans people seem both heroic and <!-- --><i>incredibly metal<!-- --></i>:<!-- --></p> <!-- --><blockquote>The words of the creation account: “male and female he created them” (Gen 1:27) no longer apply. No, what applies now is this: it was not God who created them male and female – hitherto society did this, now we decide for ourselves. Man and woman as created realities, as the nature of the human being, no longer exist. Man calls his nature into question. From now on he is merely spirit and will. The manipulation of nature, which we deplore today where our environment is concerned, now becomes man’s fundamental choice where he himself is concerned. <!-- --><b>From now on there is only the abstract human being, who chooses for himself what his nature is to be.<!-- --></b></blockquote> <!-- --><p>I do not think I could have written a more inspiring declaration for transhumanism, or rationalism, or my own inherent dignity if I had tried. For this, Mr. Ratzinger, thank you.<!-- --></p></div></div></div></div><hr class="mx-3 border-gray-300"></div><div><a id="post-775750" class="relative -top-20"></a><div class="m-3 flex flex-row flex-wrap items-center gap-2"><div class="flex-0 mask relative aspect-square h-8 w-8 "><img src="https://staging.cohostcdn.org/avatar/444-c528d22c-3787-40b5-bf3c-fafbf6f28aa0-profile.jpeg?dpr=2&amp;width=80&amp;height=80&amp;fit=cover" class="mask mask-squircle h-full w-full object-cover" alt="millenomi"></div><a rel="author" href="https://cohost.org/millenomi" class="block max-w-full flex-shrink truncate font-atkinson font-bold text-notBlack hover:underline" title="✾ Aura, a Lady.">✾ Aura, a Lady.</a><a href="https://cohost.org/millenomi" class="block font-atkinson font-normal text-gray-600 hover:underline">@<!-- -->millenomi<!-- --></a><time datetime="2023-01-03T18:44:58.472+00:00" class="block flex-none text-xs tabular-nums text-gray-500" title="Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 6:44 PM"><a href="https://cohost.org/millenomi/post/775750-a-reminder" class="hover:underline">4 mo. ago</a></time></div><div><div><div class="flex w-full flex-row p-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/millenomi/post/775750-a-reminder" class="flex-grow self-center break-words font-atkinson text-xl font-bold text-black hover:underline"><h1>a reminder</h1></a></div><div class="px-3 relative overflow-hidden isolate" data-post-body="true" data-testid="post-body"><div class="prose my-4 break-words"><p>that 'gender ideology' isn't just Pope Nazi's thing, it has been a constant cathofascist refrain in Italian and European politics for a long time (where the cathofascist and hard right have both been very keen on turning themselves into "the default", and thus can get away freely with 'ideology' as a pejorative for anything but the hard right status quo).<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>They're also using the word 'gender' in English, which is something that obviously does not translate, to indicate foreignness and thus alienness. (A thing that I see anglophone people being very blind to is that a lot of people have to import English and international terms to refer to themselves because that's the language of empire, and the one language where Western-resonant queer culture has been able to define itself in the last twenty years. The entire right seizes on this and marries it with protectionist isolationism in decrying queerness as a 'foreign' phenomenon.✶)<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p>Please be careful with European politics. Especially Italy; there are actual avowed fascists in power there right now.<!-- --></p> <!-- --><p style="font-size:80%"> (✶ When I speak of myself in Italian I purposefully use non-wide-use, grammatically correct calques <!-- --><em>instead<!-- --></em> of English import terms because of this. I'm "transgenere", "non binariə", not "transgender" or "non-binary", even if other people use these terms for themselves.) <!-- --></p> <!-- --><hr> <!-- --><p><em>one last edit<!-- --></em>: I hope none of you has forgotten Pope Francis's <!-- --><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/pope-francis-compares-transgender-people-to-nuclear-weapons-in-new-book/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">comparing of trans people to nukes<!-- --></a> — which retreads and affirms much of the same arguments as his predecessor Pope Nazi. To be trans in Italy is to live in a place where the discourse is stuck in the late '80s, and the law earlier than that (it still uses standards from '73, including forced sterilization, and does not have provisions for updating from WPATH; I have done a full gender transition and the law will not recognize that as sufficient to change my ID, and even if I could, changing your ID changes your SSN equivalent, which is your primary key into all things tax related, including your identification to the government, inheritance, and dependency/obligation records in anagraphics — aka, the family registry. Change name, become an unperson.)<!-- --></p></div></div></div></div></div><hr class="mx-3 border-gray-300"><footer class="w-full max-w-full rounded-b-lg bg-notWhite p-3"><div class="flex justify-between align-middle"><div class="w-max flex-none"><a href="https://cohost.org/llll/post/802252-empty" class="text-sm text-gray-400 hover:underline">3 comments<!-- --> + 11 on shared posts<!-- --></a></div><div class="flex justify-end gap-3"><a href="https://cohost.org/rc/login" class="h-6 w-6 text-notBlack"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 24 24" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="currentColor" aria-hidden="true"><path stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" d="M15.75 9V5.25A2.25 2.25 0 0013.5 3h-6a2.25 2.25 0 00-2.25 2.25v13.5A2.25 2.25 0 007.5 21h6a2.25 2.25 0 002.25-2.25V15m3 0l3-3m0 0l-3-3m3 3H9"></path></svg></a></div></div></footer></article></div></div><div class="renderIfVisible "><div class="renderIfVisible-placeholder " 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